Big Lies of Our Time in the United States

nan said:
Keith Olbermann was like a liberal God back in 2008.  Of course his analysis is a valid yardstick of prevailing views. Back then, he was as respected as a New York Times editorial.  He's a joke now (as is the New York Times frequently), but hindsight is 20/20.

 You could teach a doctorate-level course on building strawmen on false premises.


And lets be thankful today that the DNC didn't push Keith Ellison further up the chain of command.


dave23 said:


nan said:
Keith Olbermann was like a liberal God back in 2008.  Of course his analysis is a valid yardstick of prevailing views. Back then, he was as respected as a New York Times editorial.  He's a joke now (as is the New York Times frequently), but hindsight is 20/20.
 You could teach a doctorate-level course on building strawmen on false premises.

 I'm just saying it's a valid source.  In case you disagree, Paul had two others, in addition to that one, in the post before yours. 


Paul Street just published another essay on the US Press and made a reference to his national lies of our time piece.  That's why I'm posting it here.  He points out that Trump may be right about the mainstream press being the enemy of the people:

Still, the wannabe dictator Trump is not completely wrong about that “enemy of the people” thing. The notion the United States possesses a great “free press” and “independent” media functioning as “the lifeblood of our democracy” (what “democracy” exactly?)—a central theme in the coordinated editorials that appeared Aug. 16 in 300 U.S. newspapers in opposition to Herr Trump’s repeated attacks on the media—is one of the great national lies of our time.

He also makes a list of propaganda movies, covers mass media lies and gives a thumbs-up to Jimmy Dore.

Trump, Corporate Media Are Both Enemies of the People

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/trump-and-the-corporate-media-are-both-enemies-of-the-people/

except:

During her much ballyhooed and deeply respectful interview with Brennanlast Friday night, Russiagate-mad MSNBC rock star Rachel Maddow failed to ask him about the authoritarian implications of a recent New York Times op-ed article in which Brennan essentially suggested, in the words of the World Socialist Website’s Joseph Kishore, that “[a]ll social discontent within the United States is the work of ‘Russian puppet masters’ exploiting ‘gullible’ individuals. If ‘freedoms and liberties’ provide an opening for such operations, then these freedoms must be restricted. To ‘save democracy,’ it is necessary to abolish it.” The pretense of Brennan and his supporters to be acting in the name of “democracy” and “free speech,” Kishore notes, “echoes the claims of a long line of would-be dictators who have employed such arguments in the past.” That’s exactly right and should be completely unsurprising to anyone familiar with the arch-nefarious history of the CIA at home and abroad.


Do those using the term "Enemy of the People" know from whence it comes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Enemy_of_the_People#Plot_overview


LOST said:
Do those using the term "Enemy of the People" know from whence it comes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Enemy_of_the_People#Plot_overview

The term predates Ibsen, dating to at least Nero. In any case, Paul Street emphasizes that he’s stripping it of its historical and political contexts before applying it to the press, because those reasons for using it “have nothing to [do] with yours or mine.“


Oh, and while Street is doing that, he also invokes Orwell.


nohero said:


Ms. Nan, I have been very careful to not mention the elephant in the room, which is that the Berniecrats have no use for anybody who is not white (unless they can exploit them for their own purposes.
There.  I said it.  It's true.  Deal with it.

This Big Lie was previously refuted by two polls (one that showed Bernie supporters were less racist than Hillary supporters and another that showed Bernie is now more popular than Hillary among African Americans) but we now update the record with three African American candidates for governor who won with Bernie's support (as well as overwhelming support from AA voters):

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/bernie-sanders-florida-primary-2018-801681


paulsurovell said:


nohero said:

Ms. Nan, I have been very careful to not mention the elephant in the room, which is that the Berniecrats have no use for anybody who is not white (unless they can exploit them for their own purposes.
There.  I said it.  It's true.  Deal with it.
This Big Lie was previously refuted by two polls (one that showed Bernie supporters were less racist than Hillary supporters and another that showed Bernie is now more popular than Hillary among African Americans) but we now update the record with three African American candidates for governor who won with Bernie's support (as well as overwhelming support from AA voters):
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/29/bernie-sanders-florida-primary-2018-801681

 Two irrelevant polls.  And just because Bernie ran down to Florida to endorse the Hillary-endorsing delegate to the Dem Convention, doesn't mean it's connected to African American support for an African American mayor who Corey Booker and others came into the state for.  "Correlation does not imply causation" as anybody with a math background knows.


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