Bring Out Your Dead! The celebrity death thread....
chalmers said:
Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in.
Rose was never the brightest bulb in the clubhouse. Still, betting on your own team’s games cuts to the heart of the integrity of the sport. Even a years-long apology tour might not have spared him. (See: the sympathetic Joe Jackson, who a century later could barefoot his way straight into the National Baseball Hall of Fame if only that independent institution decided to make him eligible.)
drummerboy said:
How can the all time hits leader not be in the HOF?
I’m surprised you hadn’t heard.
DaveSchmidt said:
chalmers said:
Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in.
Rose was never the brightest bulb in the clubhouse. Still, betting on your own team’s games cuts to the heart of the integrity of the sport. Even a years-long apology tour might not have spared him. (See: the sympathetic Joe Jackson, who a century later could barefoot his way straight into the National Baseball Hall of Fame if only that independent institution decided to make him eligible.)
drummerboy said:
How can the all time hits leader not be in the HOF?
I’m surprised you hadn’t heard.
did he ever bet against the Reds? if not, they should have cut him some slack.
as for the other comment,
I assume that was just snark directed at an obviously rhetorical question.
Sometimes I can't tell.
I haven’t thought about Pete Rose in a long time. As a younger baseball fan he annoyed me, probably because he was so good. I was very self-righteous when he was banned.
My attitudes about addiction have changed a lot since I was in my 20s. The man clearly had a problem and it cost him. I think a different outcome could have been achieved involving a finite but significant ban. Maybe some compulsory work for gamblers anonymous or some other charity could have been a condition of reinstatement.
It’s a sad story. He didn’t die destitute but he missed out on lots of opportunities to enjoy the adulation of fans over the years.
drummerboy said:
did he ever bet against the Reds? if not, they should have cut him some slack.
as for the other comment,
I assume that was just snark directed at an obviously rhetorical question.
Sometimes I can't tell.
you can’t tell? After years of interacting?
drummerboy said:
I assume that was just snark directed at an obviously rhetorical question.
It was. The reason being that nothing about Rose’s fate lends itself to rhetorical questions.
I watched the first episode of the Pete Rose documentary. He’s a difficult person to like. He was great at baseball but a jerk as well. There are times in the episode when I thought maybe he has learned his lesson(s) but then he’d say something else and I thought he hasn’t learned anything.
yahooyahoo said:
I watched the first episode of the Pete Rose documentary. He’s a difficult person to like. He was great at baseball but a jerk as well. There are times in the episode when I thought maybe he has learned his lesson(s) but then he’d say something else and I thought he hasn’t learned anything.
he wore a red cap also….
DaveSchmidt said:
chalmers said:
Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in.
Rose was never the brightest bulb in the clubhouse. Still, betting on your own team’s games cuts to the heart of the integrity of the sport. Even a years-long apology tour might not have spared him. (See: the sympathetic Joe Jackson, who a century later could barefoot his way straight into the National Baseball Hall of Fame if only that independent institution decided to make him eligible.)
You may be right, but in today’s world, I figured the economic potential of a Rose induction (particularly in a year with no crowd-attracting member of the class) and respected supporters like Joe Morgan would one day lead the HOF to grant a reprieve, possibly alongside Shoeless Joe Jackson. But it’s awfully hard to show grace to someone who has figuratively stuck his middle finger in your face for decades.
Oh this is sad. I didn’t realize Terri Garr had MS.
https://apnews.com/article/teri-garr-dies-be39482a60724c5bb81bbd8f34dfaf2d
mrincredible said:
Oh this is sad. I didn’t realize Terri Garr had MS.
https://apnews.com/article/teri-garr-dies-be39482a60724c5bb81bbd8f34dfaf2d
She made multiple appearances in the New York Times Crossword puzzle over the years. There seemed always to be a place for G-A-R-R. I guess the clue will need to change.
Shocked to read that singer Jack Jones has died of leukaemia, aged 86 years.
I didn’t realise it was his voice singing The Love Boat theme so smoothly…
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/oct/29/jack-jones-singer-obituary
Gosh - his school friend was Nancy Sinatra!
Quincy Jones, aged 91 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/nov/04/quincy-jones-musician-michael-jackson-producer-dies
https://www.theguardian.com/music/gallery/2024/nov/04/quincy-jones-a-life-in-pictures
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr4n2490r9o
So much musical history is covered by his lifespan, and influence. An amazing icon of our times.
joanne said:
Quincy Jones, aged 91 years.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/nov/04/quincy-jones-musician-michael-jackson-producer-dieshttps://www.theguardian.com/music/gallery/2024/nov/04/quincy-jones-a-life-in-pictures
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjr4n2490r9o
So much musical history is covered by his lifespan, and influence. An amazing icon of our times.
Quincy took Michael Jackson to a whole different dimension with the first solo album “off the wall”…
Quincy is one of the greatest American musicians ever, crossing different genres. My favorite album is “The dude”…rest easy Q
Surprised no-one has noted Vic Flick - guitarist for the James Bond theme - died recently
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39n2p4lplro
Also, two drummers who were with the Bee Gees during different eras: Colin Petersen and Dennis Bryon
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2024/nov/19/two-bee-gees-drummers-die-colin-petersen-dennis-bryon
Belatedly, another under-the-radar musical talent: Shel Talmy. Not mentioned in this obituary is his discovery of and work with the Creation, whose “Making Time” riveted me to the opening of Wes Anderson’s “Rushmore.”
Shel Talmy, Who Produced the Who and the Kinks, Dies at 87 (NYT gift link)
Oh, and one more mesmerizing contributor to the era. (In the debut album’s title track, “the choir softly sing” and “the orchestra begin” introduced me to the British way of conjugating verbs for collective nouns. Momentous.)
Peter Sinfield, Poetic Lyricist for Prog Rock’s King Crimson, Dies at 80 (NYT gift link)
Alice Brock, who helped inspire the Arlo Guthrie classic, 'Alice's Restaurant', has died at the age of 83
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alices-restaurant-arlo-guthrie-inspiration-alice-brock-dead-at-83/
DaveSchmidt said:
Oh, and one more mesmerizing contributor to the era. (In the debut album’s title track, “the choir softly sing” and “the orchestra begin” introduced me to the British way of conjugating verbs for collective nouns. Momentous.)
Peter Sinfield, Poetic Lyricist for Prog Rock’s King Crimson, Dies at 80 (NYT gift link)
this album added so much to my life.
thank you sir.
He was an engaging game show host. Wheel of Fortune started out by having winners spend their earnings on prizes from a themed showcase. You’d follow along as they chose item after item. That feature lasted only a season or two.
Love Connection was a hoot.
Chuck Woolery, Host of ‘Love Connection,’ Dies at 83 (NYT gift link)
John Tinniswood.
Now, the name may not be all that well-known. But he is - or was - a celebrity of sorts, holding the record for being the oldest man alive.
He died at the age of 112 years and 91 days.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crk43k54mk0o
The world’s oldest living woman, and oldest living person, is Japan’s Tomiko Itooka, who is 116 years old.
bub said:
Holliman was in the first episode of the Twilight Zone.
Oh, right, he was in that!
On January and February Saturday afternoons in the ’70s, I had almost as much fun following the antics of coaches like Lou Carnesecca at St. John’s, Rollie Massimino at Villanova and Jim Valvano at Iona on the sideline as I did watching the action on the court in locally televised, pre-Big East college basketball games.
Nobody, including Bob Knight, wore a sweater better.
Lou Carnesecca, St. John’s Basketball Coach With 526 Wins, Is Dead at 99 (NYT gift link)
Silvia Pinal - legendary actress from Mexico
https://abc7ny.com/post/silvia-pinal-actress-diva-mexican-cinemas-golden-age-dies-93/15600887/
The Mexican actress Silvia Pinal, icon of the Golden Age of Cinema, who shared credits with Cantinflas, Tin Tan and Pedro Infante, and starred in Luis Buñuel's "Viridiana", which won a prize at Cannes, died on Thursday. She was 93 years old.
The National Association of Performers and Mexico's Secretary of Culture, Claudia Curiel de Icaza, mourned her passing on their X accounts.
""Her legacy as an artist and her contribution to our culture are unforgettable. Rest in peace," the Secretary wrote.
DaveSchmidt said:
On January and February Saturday afternoons in the ’70s, I had almost as much fun following the antics of coaches like Lou Carnesecca at St. John’s, Rollie Massimino at Villanova and Jim Valvano at Iona on the sideline as I did watching the action on the court in locally televised, pre-Big East college basketball games.
Nobody, including Bob Knight, wore a sweater better.
Lou Carnesecca, St. John’s Basketball Coach With 526 Wins, Is Dead at 99 (NYT gift link)
I was at SJU his last year and worked in the Financial Aid Office. He would stop by every now and then. He was such a nice guy. RIP.
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Like so many young baseball fans, Pete Rose was my favorite player outside of guys from my team, but as far as the HOF, he was his own worst enemy in a lot of ways. Had he admitted what he'd done, shown some contrition and stayed quiet for a few years, he probably would have gotten in. I was going to list a few examples of how he seemingly intentionally antagonized the same people he was asking for grace, but it's probably not the right time. However, HBO recently ran a four-part documentary that paints a pretty detailed picture.