Research on Differentiated Instruction

springgreen2 said:

imonlysleeping said:
Wait, OliveBee is Fred Profeta??? I'd almost think springgreen was Strawberry, but it doesn't quite sound like his brand of pointless antagonism.

Strawberry?? He NEVER would have advocated DI!

He might have under one of the many fake names that he regularly uses to precision-craft bits of idiocy to rile up unsuspecting MOLers.

ctrzaska said:
Doesn't sound like that's any of your business. I'm not: the WS is on.

Just curious. Sheesh!

imonlysleeping said:

springgreen2 said:

imonlysleeping said:
Wait, OliveBee is Fred Profeta??? I'd almost think springgreen was Strawberry, but it doesn't quite sound like his brand of pointless antagonism.

Strawberry?? He NEVER would have advocated DI!

He might have under one of the many fake names that he regularly uses to precision-craft bits of idiocy to rile up unsuspecting MOLers.

You sound like posters of the past by the names of strawberry, southerner, zoinks, ram...something..ajc.

A reactionary anti-progressive type. Hugely angry and hostile.

You yourself just admitted that your ideas won't work in our school district, so...what are you still doing here? Go away already.

I did not. You keep provoking me. You are trolling me! Deplorable.

I was making a joke. Your condescending nature and antagonistic attitude is just like OliveBee, Winky, Strawberry and fredprofeta. So it's not a stretch to joke that you are all the same person.

It's a stretch.

springgreen2 said:
I did not. You keep provoking me. You are trolling me! Deplorable.

imonlysleeping Oct 27, 2015 at 02:49pm
In my experience, truly excellent teachers are not the norm. In some fantasy world where classes are small, every student is motivated and each teacher is brilliant, I could maybe see DI being effective. In the real world, where lots of students are indifferent or even hostile to learning and where--let's face it--a not insignificant number of teachers are subpar, I just don't see it as being a practical solution for our school district. I also get the feeling that as someone who has no actual stake in this debate, you're a lot more willing to experiment with our kids than you would be with your own, who you have absolutely no problem enjoying the benefits of levels.

springgreen2 Oct 27, 2015 at 02:52pm Edited
With the exception of accusing me of trying to experiment with your kids (??!) you are probably right about your district, but change has to start somewhere.

Well, I was wrong. You need it more than most. You are describing a horrible situation. Sounds like from your perspective, you've got a mess. You could use some differentiated instruction. It won't fix everything, but it's a start....sorry you're so miserable...truly.

ArchBroad said:
I was making a joke. Your condescending nature and antagonistic attitude is just like OliveBee, Winky, Strawberry and fredprofeta. So it's not a stretch to joke that you are all the same person.

Much as it pains me to be fair and nice, I would say that SpringGreen and [OliveBee, Winky, Inda] are passionate and sincere about their topics and views. Fred Profeta is a lawyer and politicians. Strawberry retired a while ago.

tjohn said:

ArchBroad said:
I was making a joke. Your condescending nature and antagonistic attitude is just like OliveBee, Winky, Strawberry and fredprofeta. So it's not a stretch to joke that you are all the same person.

Much as it pains me to be fair and nice, I would say that SpringGreen and [OliveBee, Winky, Inda] are passionate and sincere about their topics and views. Fred Profeta is a lawyer and politicians. Strawberry retired a while ago.

Wow, @tjohn! Thanks!

ArchBroad said:
I was making a joke. Your condescending nature and antagonistic attitude is just like OliveBee, Winky, Strawberry and fredprofeta. So it's not a stretch to joke that you are all the same person.

Springgreen = Tulip, Charlie and Elspeth (I think its Elspeth)

Strawberry = some other folks

Fredprofeta is a real person

You can always pick out the latest incarnation of Springgreen because she starts with asking a seemingly innocuous question or posting something education related, and then escalating into a diatribe about her education and experiences somewhere in MA, or some other utopia where all children have the same abilities, interests and aptitudes and all teachers are bright, engaged, and committed to differential instruction (at which they all excel) . At which point people will start asking why she cares about MSO. Eventually, she will wig out.

The MOL honors level was able to use historical data and trends to determine that this was a poster who had a history here. The MOL AP'ers were able to resist the temptation to engage springgreeen and hope that it would go away. The Level 3 MOL'ers are still trying to debate this, knowing it is an exercise in futility after two threads and about 12 pages

Dang. I'm a level 3 poster. Feeling a bit deflated right now. That's a label that might stick to me.

tjohn said:
Dang. I'm a level 3 poster. Feeling a bit deflated right now. That's a label that might stick to me.

Sorry to inform you that you will now have to spend the rest of your MOL life as the grammar and spelling police.

Campbell29, I started on MOL with the phonics debate, with pro-Ethical Culture (some people made fun of my beliefs and ethical back in 2006) anti-war in Iraq, pro-stem cell research, and a campaigner for Obama for President. Straw was a frequent antagonist of mine.

If your history research were thorough, you'd find that, at one point, I believe some MOLERS were reciting my name and position in SOMA which I believe is against house rules, but I was the one who got sanctioned.

You have been.a reactionary voice, arguing for conservatives issues, so you haven't agreed with my positions.

Originally, I was shocked by the rudeness rampant on this Board. Now, it's just dandruff on my shoulder. I have always been passionate about my beliefs.

I bring out my credentials when people accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about.

I sincerely thank those who understand I go on this board because, despite being told to "go away" I feel like I have something to say, and I enjoy it.

I have also advocated for gun control and awareness of climate control.

Ha, I am not a regular participant in the education or politics threads, so I was not familiar with this particular nut job. Next time I will know better.

imonlysleeping said:
Ha, I am not a regular participant in the education or politics threads, so I was not familiar with this particular nut job. Next time I will know better.

Jamie, I suppose this is okay. Right?

Lazy boy, go home or go back to sleep. Only straw was as vulgar as you. Stay out of politics and education. You don't have the chops.

You don't even cyber bully well.

http://www.wrightpsych.com/popular-topics/leveled-classrooms

According to this article, both methods should be employed, but what matters most is having excellent teachers.

"The general consensus of the available research does indicate that ability grouping, when done with differentiated curriculum based on the students' needs, is academically superior to heterogeneous groupings for two distinct student populations. Both the gifted/talented students, as well as students who are placed into small, dynamic ability groups have consistently been shown to improve their academic performance. The writer of the ASCD post makes a couple of statements which, I believe, really get to the heart of the debate. He states, "to place the debate in its proper perspective, we must remember that decisions about grouping are preliminary and that what matters most comes next: decisions about what to do with students after they've been assigned to classes. Given poor instruction, neither heterogeneous nor homogeneous grouping can be effective; with excellent instruction, either may succeed." He goes on to say, "students in remedial classes performed especially poorly compared to ungrouped students with similar family backgrounds and initial achievement. With low-group losses offsetting high-group gains, the effects on productivity were about zero, but the impact on inequality was substantial." I feel that it does a very nice job of explaining the pros and cons of ability grouping and tracking."

You can find research to support any position, but I appreciate your efforts. Thanks.

springgreen2 said:

imonlysleeping said:
Ha, I am not a regular participant in the education or politics threads, so I was not familiar with this particular nut job. Next time I will know better.

Jamie, I suppose this is okay. Right?
Lazy boy, go home or go back to sleep. Only straw was as vulgar as you. Stay out of politics and education. You don't have the chops.
You don't even cyber bully well.

I can assure you that lazyboy and imonysleeping are two different people.

springgreen2 said:
You can find research to support any position.

Absolutely.

ctrzaska said:

springgreen2 said:

imonlysleeping said:
Ha, I am not a regular participant in the education or politics threads, so I was not familiar with this particular nut job. Next time I will know better.

Jamie, I suppose this is okay. Right?
Lazy boy, go home or go back to sleep. Only straw was as vulgar as you. Stay out of politics and education. You don't have the chops.
You don't even cyber bully well.

I can assure you that lazyboy and imonysleeping are two different people.

I didn't even know there was someone named Lazy Boy. I was using it as an alternate way of referring to this sleeping guy.

Anyone whose sole remaining rhetorical strategy is to mock people's screen names probably isn't winning an argument. (It's a Beatles song, ffr.)

Listen bud, you called me a "nut job." That's name calling. If Jamie wanted to, he could ban you for that, but he wants me out of here. If I called you what think of you, I'd be immediately banned. You have nothing of any substance to add to.this discussion, beyond attacking me. I figure you for a 19 year old, or some paunchy guy in midlife crisis. You have no background in education. You shouldn't be on this thread.

springgreen2 said:
Listen bud, you called me a "nut job." That's name calling. If Jamie wanted to, he could ban you for that, but he wants me out of here. If I called you what think of you, I'd be immediately banned. You have nothing if any substance to add to.this discussion, beyond attacking me. I figure you for a 19 year old, or some paunchy guy in midlife crisis. You have no background in education. You shouldn't be on this thread.

You're right, I shouldn't have called you a nut job. Posts like these speak for themselves.

Is that an apology? What's your background in education? What's your connection to this discussion?

Forget it. I'd rather never post here again, provided no one asks me questions or provokes me, than continue à dialog with the likes of you.

Good, take your ball and go home (to wherever it is you live). Please don't come back.

If I told you where I live, you'd burn my house down. If you want me to go away, stop posting to me.