Probably in a somewhat similar situation to yours. May not be affected much personally, but feeling stunned and grieving for the country we thought we had or were creating, appalled by (pretty much all) R legislators, plus business leaders truckling to this guy. Don't know what to do, hoping some leadership will emerge.
This seems much different from 2017, when so many were immediately up in (figurative) arms.
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I moved to Canada.
Since the election, however, I stopped reading the news for the most part. I listen to the CBC world news in the morning when I get up and the NPR hourly report while I do the dishes at night but, otherwise, I try to ignore it.
Ignoring it calms the anger and dulls the despair.
dave said:
On the other side of the world.
does China looming over Hong Kong make you worried?
drummerboy said:
dave said:
On the other side of the world.
does China looming over Hong Kong make you worried?
Breaking: Hong Kong is in China.
dave said:
drummerboy said:
dave said:
On the other side of the world.
does China looming over Hong Kong make you worried?
Breaking: Hong Kong is in China.
ok. ok. make fun.
I'm talking about the fact that they seem to be reaching into your governance more and more.
drummerboy said:
ok. ok. make fun.
I'm talking about the fact that they seem to be reaching into your governance more and more.
That’s already a done deal, any perceived difference with the mainland seems to be for show.
nohero said:
drummerboy said:
ok. ok. make fun.
I'm talking about the fact that they seem to be reaching into your governance more and more.
That’s already a done deal, any perceived difference with the mainland seems to be for show.
I don't play super-close attention to HK, but it's been my impression that China has been gradually becoming more and more intrusive into local politics. So that's why I'm trying to (inartfully) get at.
No?
drummerboy said:
I don't play super-close attention to HK, but it's been my impression that China has been gradually becoming more and more intrusive into local politics. So that's why I'm trying to (inartfully) get at.
No?
The Wikipedia tells me that the Chief Executive in Hong Kong and other main government officials are appointed by the government in Beijing, and/or appointed to their posts by the Beijing-chosen Chief Executive. The Chief Executive also appoints the judges.
I'm referring to policy stuff. i.e. reducing rights, the jailing of Jimmy Lai, etc.
Like I said, it's just my impression though. Could be wrong.
It changed a lot a few years ago, in response to demonstrations/resistance? Check it out. The whole "one country, two systems" thing (or whatever it was called) is gone iirc.
drummerboy said:
I'm referring to policy stuff. i.e. reducing rights, the jailing of Jimmy Lai, etc.
Like I said, it's just my impression though. Could be wrong.
Could be. My perception of reading about Hong Kong in the NYT is that the NYT doesn't bother interviewing residents.
mjc said:
It changed a lot a few years ago, in response to demonstrations/resistance? Check it out. The whole "one country, two systems" thing (or whatever it was called) is gone iirc.
The above is noted somehow without irony, with amnesia about what happened in the US four years ago and how those usurpers to power were dealt with (ie, put in prison). However, if China does the same within its borders, it's bad.
dave said:
mjc said:
It changed a lot a few years ago, in response to demonstrations/resistance? Check it out. The whole "one country, two systems" thing (or whatever it was called) is gone iirc.
The above is noted somehow without irony, with amnesia about what happened in the US four years ago and how those usurpers to power were dealt with (ie, put in prison). However, if China does the same within its borders, it's bad.
Actually, i have not forgotten 4 years ago (btw, it's back). Was hoping for a neutral tone re: HK, guess i failed.
There are large parts of the one country / two systems still in place, provided you aren't publishing works saying inane things like HK isn't part of China. The HK passport is more widely accepted internationally; the HKD is pegged to the USD; taxes are lower; the civil service is still the envy of the world, etc.
GoSlugs said:
I moved to Canada.
Since the election, however, I stopped reading the news for the most part. I listen to the CBC world news in the morning when I get up and the NPR hourly report while I do the dishes at night but, otherwise, I try to ignore it.
Ignoring it calms the anger and dulls the despair.
It's not all bad. There are some bright spots.
nan said:
GoSlugs said:
I moved to Canada.
Since the election, however, I stopped reading the news for the most part. I listen to the CBC world news in the morning when I get up and the NPR hourly report while I do the dishes at night but, otherwise, I try to ignore it.
Ignoring it calms the anger and dulls the despair.
It's not all bad. There are some bright spots.
We can delete all your posts (or anyone's) and there's not much the government can do. That's because we're not the government. This applies to FB, Twitter, TikTok, etc.
Don't agree? Read the Constitution.
nan said:
GoSlugs said:
I moved to Canada.
Since the election, however, I stopped reading the news for the most part. I listen to the CBC world news in the morning when I get up and the NPR hourly report while I do the dishes at night but, otherwise, I try to ignore it.
Ignoring it calms the anger and dulls the despair.
It's not all bad. There are some bright spots.
you don't understand what meaningless gestures are, do you.
drummerboy said:
nan said:
GoSlugs said:
I moved to Canada.
Since the election, however, I stopped reading the news for the most part. I listen to the CBC world news in the morning when I get up and the NPR hourly report while I do the dishes at night but, otherwise, I try to ignore it.
Ignoring it calms the anger and dulls the despair.
It's not all bad. There are some bright spots.
you don't understand what meaningless gestures are, do you.
Meaningless gestures based on disinformation and selfish resentments.
dave said:
We can delete all your posts (or anyone's) and there's not much the government can do. That's because we're not the government. This applies to FB, Twitter, TikTok, etc.
Don't agree? Read the Constitution.
You evidently missed the Twitter files scandal. The government was making these companies censor individuals and posts. The only reason you were not forced to comply is that MOL is not as big as twitter/FB.
nan said:
dave said:
We can delete all your posts (or anyone's) and there's not much the government can do. That's because we're not the government. This applies to FB, Twitter, TikTok, etc.
Don't agree? Read the Constitution.
You evidently missed the Twitter files scandal. The government was making these companies censor individuals and posts. The only reason you were not forced to comply is that MOL is not as big as twitter/FB.
At least this sort of thing won’t happen under the new administration.
tjohn said:
At least this sort of thing won’t happen under the new administration.
We will see. Not holding my breath. At least they said it was important. The previous administration were big cheerleaders for censorship.
nan said:
dave said:
We can delete all your posts (or anyone's) and there's not much the government can do. That's because we're not the government. This applies to FB, Twitter, TikTok, etc.
Don't agree? Read the Constitution.
You evidently missed the Twitter files scandal. The government was making these companies censor individuals and posts. The only reason you were not forced to comply is that MOL is not as big as twitter/FB.
we didn't miss it at all. you just created stuff that didn't happen.
nan said:
tjohn said:
At least this sort of thing won’t happen under the new administration.
We will see. Not holding my breath. At least they said it was important. The previous administration were big cheerleaders for censorship.
please look at what has been said by the incoming head of the FCC. then get back to us as to who the real censor is.
drummerboy said:
we didn't miss it at all. you just created stuff that didn't happen.
I watched the testimony and read related documents. Last time we had this conversation, you had not. So, as usual, you have no idea what you are saying. Just like a dumb troll with a dream.
Norman_Bates said:
Thankfully, MAGA isn't at all about censorship!!nan said:
tjohn said:
At least this sort of thing won’t happen under the new administration.
We will see. Not holding my breath. At least they said it was important. The previous administration were big cheerleaders for censorship.
That was happening under Biden, so not like voting in Harris would have changed it.
On the road to my brother's house in Chagrin Falls, there's this MAGA guy (a local attorney) who has a big sign on his lawn, with removable letters, like old-time theater signs. He updates it frequently.
This time it said "Government Fails - LA Burns".
At the time, I had been reading all of the debunkings of MAGA's lies about the fires and the talk of putting conditions on aid to LA, so when I came upon the sign, it was all I could do to stop the car, run over and knock it down. And maybe knock on his door and tell him what for.
I did none of these things, of course.
There's lots of Trump signs still up around here, because they're gloating, so this is a not an infrequent urge.
But after this one I thought to myself, "I can't continue to be this angry all of the time. It's not healthy."
I know that I'm privileged and am unlikely to be directly affected by what happens in the coming years. Life will continue as it has. Hell, I may even get a tax cut.
But that doesn't really make me feel better, knowing that I have to watch this country get dismantled as it is ruled by the most corrupt (morally, financially and every other which way) administration in history.
Do I just close my eyes?