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nohero said:

Did you include Moscow into that estimation?

I was going to, but Victoria Nuland told me I'm out of the cabal if I did, which means I'd have to make my own sandwiches.


dave said:

Smedley said:

I still think my first interpretation of the cryptic nohero post is correct, but even nh realized his premise was idiotic so rather than defend it he fired up the smoke machine.

I'll leave you guys to your riddles.

You'd be more on target if almost the entire world used MOL.  I think that's clear enough.  But that's just my opinion.

MOL has the best discussion platform I've ever seen. If you could ever get through to him, I think Musk would be impressed and . . . who knows where that would lead. Seriously.


nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

paulsurovell said:

Are you staying on Twitter?

What's it to you?

I'll miss you if you leave.

You could just unblock me, instead of "stalking", as you like to inaccurately call it.

[Edited to add] Of course, if you unblocked me, I might point out facts which you get uncomfortable with, as before when you previously blocked me.

Sorry, but your personal attacks aren't welcome. And besides, it's fun watching you stalk me with some other account. SouthMountaineer?


My brain almost exploded at thought of EM with a JamieSpace  question  question


ridski said:

dave said:

You'd be more on target if almost the entire world used MOL.  I think that's clear enough.  But that's just my opinion.

MOL: New Jersey, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong.

Are you still a Russell Brand fan? He's doing great work on Twitter and Rumble:


paulsurovell said:

MOL has the best discussion platform I've ever seen. If you could ever get through to him, I think Musk would be impressed and . . . who knows where that would lead. Seriously.

probably nowhere. There's no evidence Musk wants the best discussion platform. 


ml1 said:

nohero said:

Meanwhile, back at the new unbiased Twitter - 

excesses of Democratic Party -- spending on infrastructure, working people

excesses of Republican Party -- undermining confidence in elections, insurrection.

Yup, seems about the same to me 
vampire

Ha. 


Just to correct the record, what Mr. Surovell calls a "personal attack" on the Twitter is the same statement of fact that I and others make here, about trusting his interpretation or summary of what anyone says or writes, especially public figures and news articles. If it's not a "personal attack" here, it's not there.

And it's interesting to read Paul's comments on the Twitter (using a web browser, not the Twitter app, which anyone can do), because he's more "MAGA-like" there than he presents himself here.


terp said:

ml1 said:

nohero said:

Meanwhile, back at the new unbiased Twitter - 

excesses of Democratic Party -- spending on infrastructure, working people

excesses of Republican Party -- undermining confidence in elections, insurrection.

Yup, seems about the same to me 
vampire

Ha. 

Great Compilation - Democrats Denying Election Results
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yet again, another example of the right failing to analogize.

name us ONE Dem candidate who ran on the 2016 election.


Were there any Democrats claiming that the vote tallying itself was fraudulent? 


nohero said:

Just to correct the record, what Mr. Surovell calls a "personal attack" on the Twitter is the same statement of fact that I and others make here, about trusting his interpretation or summary of what anyone says or writes, especially public figures and news articles. If it's not a "personal attack" here, it's not there.

And it's interesting to read Paul's comments on the Twitter (using a web browser, not the Twitter app, which anyone can do), because he's more "MAGA-like" there than he presents himself here.

Latest criteria of Mr.Thought Policeman -- "More MAGA-Like Than". Taking McCarthyism to a new level.


paulsurovell said:

Latest criteria of Mr.Thought Policeman -- "More MAGA-Like Than". Taking McCarthyism to a new level.

he’s no hero, but his assessment of you is spot on. I feel the same way, you could very well be a closeted MAGATrumpist. In fact I would go so far as to say anyone who supports Putin is a trumpist. It’s kinda hard to separate the two cretins.


paulsurovell said:

If I understand this, it will make Twitter more competitive with MOL

Certainly for nan. 


paulsurovell said:

nohero said:

Just to correct the record, what Mr. Surovell calls a "personal attack" on the Twitter is the same statement of fact that I and others make here, about trusting his interpretation or summary of what anyone says or writes, especially public figures and news articles. If it's not a "personal attack" here, it's not there.

And it's interesting to read Paul's comments on the Twitter (using a web browser, not the Twitter app, which anyone can do), because he's more "MAGA-like" there than he presents himself here.

Latest criteria of Mr.Thought Policeman -- "More MAGA-Like Than". Taking McCarthyism to a new level.

You made a "MAGA-like" response as an attack on this statement from a cable TV host: "It’s a lie to say Hillary Clinton didn’t accept the 2016 election result and not sure why the reporter seemed to agree with McCarthy and not push back on this. We cannot allow the GOP to use mainstream media platform to again push or whatabout the Big Lie." You called him a "history-denier".

In other words, you "whatabouted the Big Lie" of the MAGAs.

https://twitter.com/paulsurovell/status/1589642988283912192?s=20&t=jtrKK5Y6kC7HNRPYFsK4dA


paulsurovell said:

Latest criteria of Mr.Thought Policeman -- "More MAGA-Like Than". Taking McCarthyism to a new level.

Is that a personal attack? Because I showed the receipts, above.


ml1 said:

Were there any Democrats claiming that the vote tallying itself was fraudulent? 

In 2018, about 66%.


paulsurovell said:

ml1 said:

Were there any Democrats claiming that the vote tallying itself was fraudulent? 

In 2018, about 66%.

So, a poll, but nothing comparable to GOP politicians making that claim.


paulsurovell said:

MOL has the best discussion platform I've ever seen. If you could ever get through to him, I think Musk would be impressed and . . . who knows where that would lead. Seriously.

The biggest difference between MOL and twitter is scale. I think the problems we see on massive social media networks are inherent to the scale they operate at, and the economic incentives they operate under, and can't actually be "fixed."


By the way, a Russion oligarch admitted that the Russians are interfering in U.S. elections and will continue to do so.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-us-election-interference-yevgeny-prigozhin-putin-chef-oligarch/

Russian businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin, a close ally of President Vladimir Putin and a key figure in the war in Ukraine, admitted bluntly on Monday to interfering in U.S. elections.

"Gentlemen, we interfered, we are interfering, and we will interfere," declared Prigozhin in a statement quoted by his company, Concord. The oligarch has been sanctioned by Washington for running a "troll factory" to influence the outcome of votes in the U.S. and elsewhere.


paulsurovell said:

ml1 said:

Were there any Democrats claiming that the vote tallying itself was fraudulent? 

In 2018, about 66%.

once again, my bad for being imprecise.  I meant Democrats running for office claiming that voting in general is beset by widespread fraud. 


paulsurovell said:

ridski said:

dave said:

You'd be more on target if almost the entire world used MOL.  I think that's clear enough.  But that's just my opinion.

MOL: New Jersey, Canada, Australia, Hong Kong.

Are you still a Russell Brand fan? He's doing great work on Twitter and Rumble:

When did Russell Brand become a conspiracy kook?


ml1 said:

once again, my bad for being imprecise.  I meant Democrats running for office claiming that voting in general is beset by widespread fraud. 


There's obviously no parallel between a Republican Party that literally stormed the capitol to try and capture, maybe kill, legislators it disagrees with and is pushing to reject future elections it loses, and the Democratic party. However imprecise you may have been, there's nowhere near enough ambiguity in there to try and wedge in the kind of baldly bad faith moral equivalence that seeks to whatabout Republicans' attacks on American democracy.


PVW said:

ml1 said:

once again, my bad for being imprecise.  I meant Democrats running for office claiming that voting in general is beset by widespread fraud. 


There's obviously no parallel between a Republican Party that literally stormed the capitol to try and capture, maybe kill, legislators it disagrees with and is pushing to reject future elections it loses, and the Democratic party. However imprecise you may have been, there's nowhere near enough ambiguity in there to try and wedge in the kind of baldly bad faith moral equivalence that seeks to whatabout Republicans' attacks on American democracy.

while this is true, at least two people in this thread did an explicit whatabout. So it's worth it for the rest of us to try to be more precise with our language.

and speaking of imprecise, is anyone aware of exactly what Elon Musk thinks are the "excesses" of Republicans and Democrats? My bet is that he thinks the great sin of the Democratic Party is "wokeness."


paulsurovell said:

ml1 said:

Were there any Democrats claiming that the vote tallying itself was fraudulent? 

In 2018, about 66%.

yougov is not exactly the gold standard in polling.


yahooyahoo said:

When did Russell Brand become a conspiracy kook?

It started a while ago, but he's steadily been getting worse to the point where I could no longer put his face on my brand, so I switched to his former Goth Detective partner Noel Fielding instead.

I haven't deliberately read or listened to anything from Brand for about 8 years, and if you hadn't asked the question I wouldn't even have known about paulsurovell's response to me as I typically skip his posts, too.


ml1 said:

while this is true, at least two people in this thread did an explicit whatabout. So it's worth it for the rest of us to try to be more precise with our language.

and speaking of imprecise, is anyone aware of exactly what Elon Musk thinks are the "excesses" of Republicans and Democrats? My bet is that he thinks the great sin of the Democratic Party is "wokeness."

It's the Democrats' fault that he can't sing all the lyrics to his favorite rap songs anymore.


ml1 said:

PVW said:

ml1 said:

once again, my bad for being imprecise.  I meant Democrats running for office claiming that voting in general is beset by widespread fraud. 


There's obviously no parallel between a Republican Party that literally stormed the capitol to try and capture, maybe kill, legislators it disagrees with and is pushing to reject future elections it loses, and the Democratic party. However imprecise you may have been, there's nowhere near enough ambiguity in there to try and wedge in the kind of baldly bad faith moral equivalence that seeks to whatabout Republicans' attacks on American democracy.

while this is true, at least two people in this thread did an explicit whatabout. So it's worth it for the rest of us to try to be more precise with our language.

and speaking of imprecise, is anyone aware of exactly what Elon Musk thinks are the "excesses" of Republicans and Democrats? My bet is that he thinks the great sin of the Democratic Party is "wokeness."


lord help me.  wrong thread.


drummerboy said:

ml1 said:

PVW said:

ml1 said:

once again, my bad for being imprecise.  I meant Democrats running for office claiming that voting in general is beset by widespread fraud. 


There's obviously no parallel between a Republican Party that literally stormed the capitol to try and capture, maybe kill, legislators it disagrees with and is pushing to reject future elections it loses, and the Democratic party. However imprecise you may have been, there's nowhere near enough ambiguity in there to try and wedge in the kind of baldly bad faith moral equivalence that seeks to whatabout Republicans' attacks on American democracy.

while this is true, at least two people in this thread did an explicit whatabout. So it's worth it for the rest of us to try to be more precise with our language.

and speaking of imprecise, is anyone aware of exactly what Elon Musk thinks are the "excesses" of Republicans and Democrats? My bet is that he thinks the great sin of the Democratic Party is "wokeness."

So Elon believes Twitter must be politically neutral, but then uses Twitter to tell America to vote for Republicans in the midterm elections.


How does that compromise the neutrality of the platform? You don't have to listen to him. I didn't, and I still have a Twitter account in good standing today.


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