The Rose Garden and White House happenings: Listening to voters’ concerns
nohero said:
mtierney said:
Getting a progressive liberal, who is living and working in very high end MOL communities, to read something which cost a dollar a week, is a modern day conundrum!
My mind is not closed, but my wallet is not open to funding the opinion journalism at National Review.
It is scary for some folks, I suppose, to risk all the closely guarded beliefs they cherish and hold fast to, in order to hear/read what their fellow humans are thinking.
But, nohero, how do you define “opinion journalism”. CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, etc., NYT, Fox News are all providing opinions as facts on a daily basis, force feeding their “fans” what they believe to be the truth.
Certainly, the women on The View are perfect examples of how progressive liberals present today’s news/opinions across America. For full disclosure, I do not watch that particular venue, however, but the clips which litter the news alone make me cringe. .I am also not a Tucker fan.
Only by reading a wide source of views and opinions can I distill my own opinion, separating the wheat from the chaff. You should try it.
mtierney said:
It is scary for some folks, I suppose, to risk all the closely guarded beliefs they cherish and hold fast to, in order to hear/read what their fellow humans are thinking.
I'm not afraid of the stuff in my compost bin but I don't want to go wallowing in it either.
Put garbage where it belongs, in the dumpster.
mtierney said:
nohero said:
mtierney said:
Getting a progressive liberal, who is living and working in very high end MOL communities, to read something which cost a dollar a week, is a modern day conundrum!
My mind is not closed, but my wallet is not open to funding the opinion journalism at National Review.
It is scary for some folks, I suppose, to risk all the closely guarded beliefs they cherish and hold fast to, in order to hear/read what their fellow humans are thinking.
But, nohero, how do you define “opinion journalism”. CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, etc., NYT, Fox News are all providing opinions as facts on a daily basis, force feeding their “fans” what they believe to be the truth.
Certainly, the women on The View are perfect examples of how progressive liberals present today’s news/opinions across America. For full disclosure, I do not watch that particular venue, however, but the clips which litter the news alone make me cringe. .I am also not a Tucker fan.
Only by reading a wide source of views and opinions can I distill my own opinion, separating the wheat from the chaff. You should try it.
why do you keep ignoring us telling you that the barrier isn't ideological? It's the paywall.
mtierney said:
Only by reading a wide source of views and opinions can I distill my own opinion, separating the wheat from the chaff. You should try it.
One person’s wheat is another’s chaff, and vice versa. It has always been thus.
Oh, and apparently one way to diminish methane from cattle is to transfer a bit of kangaroo faeces into the cattle guts! (A bit like the new way of treating some IBDs via poop transplants)
The things one learns in academic reading…
mtierney said:
It is scary for some folks, I suppose, to risk all the closely guarded beliefs they cherish and hold fast to, in order to hear/read what their fellow humans are thinking.
But, nohero, how do you define “opinion journalism”. CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, etc., NYT, Fox News are all providing opinions as facts on a daily basis, force feeding their “fans” what they believe to be the truth.
Certainly, the women on The View are perfect examples of how progressive liberals present today’s news/opinions across America. For full disclosure, I do not watch that particular venue, however, but the clips which litter the news alone make me cringe. .I am also not a Tucker fan.
Only by reading a wide source of views and opinions can I distill my own opinion, separating the wheat from the chaff. You should try it.
You could define "opinion journalism" as the National Review describes itself. "National Review was founded in 1955 by William F. Buckley Jr. as a magazine of conservative opinion. The magazine has since defined the modern conservative movement and enjoys the broadest allegiance among American conservatives."
https://www.nationalreview.com/about/
You referenced "The View", which is a program where a group of women give their opinions. "Certainly, the women on The View are perfect examples of how progressive liberals present today’s news/opinions across America. For full disclosure, I do not watch that particular venue, however, but the clips which litter the news alone make me cringe." That's "opinion journalism" (Fox News has conservative counterparts in its programs). You "cringe" as selected excerpts that are shown to you by the sources you read, which provide those clips to push their opinion of "liberal" programs.
As for me, the extended excerpts from the National Review that you post make me cringe. They're not "opinions" so much as they are misinformation followed by claims based on those lies.
As I already pointed out, I do read a wide source of opinions.
It’s funny how conservatives complain that their opinions are theirs and everyone else should accept them as legitimate…yet they are being exposed as liars. Why do you think you are righteous? Is it because of the Bible that you use as your crutches? You condemn liberals almost every day, making claims of anarchy in liberal run cities, tents littering the streets, crazy homeless people on the train, millions of invaders just wading across the river, with backpacks full of fentanyl wrapped in plastic to prevent it from getting wet, having palpitations in your anxiety that a black woman could be president if Joe falls off his bicycle…
Deplorable
Jaytee said:
You condemn liberals almost every day, making claims of anarchy in liberal run cities, tents littering the streets, crazy homeless people on the train, millions of invaders just wading across the river, with backpacks full of fentanyl wrapped in plastic to prevent it from getting wet, having palpitations in your anxiety that a black woman could be president if Joe falls off his bicycle…
Deplorable
Excellent description of our cities today, and, yes, it is deplorable.
The scenario of the president falling is not far off the radar — mishaps or missteps are sadly frequent. At 91, I am very aware of how we are, all of us, just one wrong step away from disaster. It is why I gave up bicycling and skateboarding awhile back.
Your racist remark about my having “palpitations” if Kamala, by accident, becomes president has nothing to do with the color of her skin. Her failure as a veep preempts the color of her skin. She would certainly have to something about her explosive, often inappropriate giggling, however.
Where did the amazing, intelligent, and clear-speaking Condeliza Rice go? Oh, she was a Republican.
Mrs Obama comes to mind as a possibility, but I don’t think her hubby would be thrilled to be second banana.
But selecting a candidate for high office based on skin color would be racist, right?
mtierney said:
Jaytee said:
You condemn liberals almost every day, making claims of anarchy in liberal run cities, tents littering the streets, crazy homeless people on the train, millions of invaders just wading across the river, with backpacks full of fentanyl wrapped in plastic to prevent it from getting wet, having palpitations in your anxiety that a black woman could be president if Joe falls off his bicycle…
Deplorable
Excellent description of our cities today, and, yes, it is deplorable. The scenario of the president falling is not far off the radar — mishaps or missteps are sadly frequent. At 91, I am very aware of how we are, all of us, just one wrong step away from disaster. It is why I gave up bicycling and skateboarding awhile back.
Your racist remark about my having “palpitations” if Kamala, by accident, becomes president has nothing to do with the color of her skin. Her failure as a veep preempts the color of her skin. She would certainly have to something about her explosive, often inappropriate giggling, however.
Where did the amazing, intelligent, and clear-speaking Condeliza Rice go? Oh, she was a Republican.
Mrs Obama comes to mind as a possibility, but I don’t think her hubby would be thrilled to be second banana.
But selecting a candidate for high office based on skin color would be racist, right?
when is the last time you actually set foot in any major U.S. city?
and just for the record, Condoleezaa Rice is a war criminal, so despite her intelligence, she's not worthy to hold the office of POTUS. Your capacity for excusing the inexcusable among Republicans seems limitless.
Yup!
In a truly color-blind society the color of (or in your case, the shade of one’s skin) would not be the yardstick to measure presidential potential. I think the issue should be is the person fit to sit in the Oval Office, leader of the Free World.
Kamala gets a No.
Your fixation on skin color says what about you? Your multiple emojis — and multiple personalities on MOL — speak volumes, however.
mtierney said:
I think the issue should be is the person fit to sit in the Oval Office, leader of the Free World.
The fact that you voted for Donald Trump makes me very skeptical about this statement.
to be fair, I don't think MT's dislike of Harris is race based. She's just mindlessly following the right-wing line.
drummerboy said:
RealityForAll said:
ml1 said:
RealityForAll said:
ml1 said:
RealityForAll said:
ml1 said:
RealityForAll said:
Your response proves that you can not provide evidence for your allegations. Most recent evidence requested: evidence to prove/demonstrate that NR supports white supremacy. I await a substantive response from you, GoSlugs.
it's easy to google "National Review" and "white supremacy." The first bunch of articles that surface are criticisms of anti-racism. The first one that comes up is a minimization of the threat of white supremacist terrorism. That's pretty decent evidence that the NR skews toward making apologies for white supremacists, if not giving them outright support. If you really wanted to learn the answer to your question and not just be argumentative, it was super simple to find.
Hey thanks for your response. I was more interested in a response from GoSlugs. As GoSlugs has a habit of making allegations without evidence.
sometimes it's really not necessary to provide "evidence." If one peruses the NR site it's self-evident what their stance is on race in the U.S.
Do you have a definition for "white supremacy" that you use when examining NR?
minimizing the threat from white supremacy that U.S. security agencies are warning about is enough for me. It's pretty easy to be anti-white supremacy. But the NR can't seem to bring themselves to do that.
Is there a level of acceptance of white supremacists that you think is OK?
Question is do you have a definition for white supremacy?
For example, is advocating for color-blindness with regard to race a form of white supremacy (under your definition)?
Advocating for color-blindness is mostly about denialism , hypocrisy and stupidity.
Thanks DB. Good to see your posts again. Take care.
"I don't see color" is a tell.
Most of us "saw" Obama as interracial whereas Trump saw a Muslim and a guy born in Indonesia. Trump heard about a rape in Central Park and he helped put innocent black men in prison thanks to full page ads. He saw their color and the jury saw their color.
Cops everywhere have to see color because that's how dispatchers communicate a suspect's appearance. Tons of videos online showing people being stopped as a suspect 90% based on color and only figure out later the alleged perp was wearing the wrong color clothing. Or his age was way off.
White people can't identify Asians as well as I can (I know the sound of the languages and often what they're saying if it's in Mandarin), so they get lumped as a parcel and were attacked on the streets during the Covid years.
Brown skinned people can be from plenty of places. An Indian friend of mine says he has been hassled so much at airports in the US that he won't return (and it wasn't like that when he attended uni years ago in the midwest), so he visits Europe and other Asian nations with his wife. His son attends LSE in England, which seems to be better with race relations than the US.
A recent study in Germany reflects the positive outcome it's seeing with a large influx of refugees. There has been no job shortage and no depreciation of wages (upward ticks, in fact).
Meanwhile, in the US, bonehead Rep. Boebert recently put up a bill calling for the death penalty for anyone bringing drugs across the southern boarder in any amounts, when one of the largest intakes in recent years was found at the port of Philadelphia.
Anything to spread racial hatred is the only platform Republicans can win on and they're counting on the irrational fears of old white people and people who immigrated recently from socialist nations and buy into the farcical claim that Democrat = socialist. Joe Biden is as Republican as it gets without having an R after his name (he moved it to a middle initial).
drummerboy said:
to be fair, I don't think MT's dislike of Harris is race based. She's just mindlessly following the right-wing line.
it's reflexive dislike of anyone with a D after their name
If we truly search for the reason why they hate someone with a D after their name we might find out why. Look at what they constantly go after, look at the way they talk about Democrats. “ they want everything free, they want illegal immigrants to vote for them, they want gay marriage etc…”
Trumpenstein openly said what the majority of conservatives wanted to say and do for decades but couldn’t, the seething anger, the angry white men on talk radio throwing gasoline, the rise of Obama and his “progressive” agenda was the straw that broke the camel’s back… peaking in 2015 when the Supreme Court ruled that same-sex marriage was legal nationwide.
Why did white Southerners abandon the Democratic Party following the civil rights era? Why the gerrymandering in certain electoral districts?
Fox news fundamental message is rage against liberals for accommodating the “enemies” of America, beginning with what Clinton did by granting China permanent most favored nation status. Over the years the message has changed ….from terrorism to open borders to Benghazi to Christian cake bakers to critical race theory…but it’s always about what liberal politicians are doing to cripple America, usually with a large dose of thinly veiled racism to get people riled up, and take their country back to what it was, when Ellis island was unloading ships filled with poor European migrants who had no legal status in America, but wanted to work….
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
to be fair, I don't think MT's dislike of Harris is race based. She's just mindlessly following the right-wing line.
it's reflexive dislike of anyone with a D after their name
I don't see a lot of value in trying to parse out the difference between those who vote Republican because of the racism, and those who tolerate the racism because they're Republican.
Ok, that's not entirely true -- in the latter group, you'll get defectors who decide they can no longer justify being Republican.
dave said:
"I don't see color" is a tell.
Anything to spread racial hatred is the only platform Republicans can win on and they're counting on the irrational hate of old white people.
I would certainly defer to your experience from living in Hong Kong for a number of years re knowledge of language accents identity, but my family has an Indian connection of some 40 years. Included are Chinese extended family members.
Doesn’t make me an expert in international relations, of course, but it illustrates your not so subtle suggestion that I might condone white violence to be an off the mark assumption.
However, I am, after all is said and done, white and old. My beliefs are not “ irrational,”but based on life experience. To suggest otherwise is not kind.
I think that folks who say, self-righteously, that they don’t see color are trying to avoid confrontation from the self-righteous progressive element in politics. Finger pointing and allegations make headlines. What do you think Harry Truman would say?
mtierney said:
I would certainly defer to your experience from living in Hong Kong for a number of years re knowledge of language accents identity, but my family has an Indian connection of some 40 years. Included are Chinese extended family members.
Doesn’t make me an expert in international relations, of course, but it illustrates your not so subtle suggestion that I might condone white violence to be an off the mark assumption.
However, I am, after all is said and done, white and old. My beliefs are not “ irrational,”but based on life experience. To suggest otherwise is not kind.
I think that folks who say, self-righteously, that they don’t see color are trying to avoid confrontation from the self-righteous progressive element in politics. Finger pointing and allegations make headlines. What do you think Harry Truman would say?
Care to explain why it was ok for your ancestors to benefit from what was essentially an open border policy, but you spill a lot of digital ink on the perceived dangers from today's immigrants?
mtierney said:
I think that folks who say, self-righteously, that they don’t see color are trying to avoid confrontation from the self-righteous progressive element in politics. Finger pointing and allegations make headlines. What do you think Harry Truman would say?
Self righteous progressives…
Why bring Truman into this? You have old demons that may need an exorcism to eradicate. What exactly did you conservatives expect Truman to do?
PVW said:
Care to explain why it was ok for your ancestors to benefit from what was essentially an open border policy, but you spill a lot of digital ink on the perceived dangers from today's immigrants?
One policy was legal the other is not. The open border is also bringing a poisonous drug into the country, killing thousands of kids.
My grandfather bought steerage class tickets, leaving his wife and three children back in Austria while he found work and settled in NYC. It took five years before the rest of the family came to America, in 1911. BTW, If immigrants had a highly contagious condition, Pink Eye, upon arrival, flunking the physical exams, they were dined entry.
My father’s family arrived (also in steerage class) in NYC due to the potato famine in Ireland. Signs in store windows plainly stated “no Irish need apply”. But there was plenty of dangerous construction work available, however risky to these newcomers.
That was immigration then, however brutal, and we have come a long way. Now we ask only to know who is entering illegally, at great risk to themselves — and possibly others. There is a welcome mat out for entry into the Land of Opportunity. The millions entering, however, need to follow the rules of admission for their safety and the country’s.
mtierney said:
One policy was legal the other is not. The open border is also bringing a poisonous drug into the country, killing thousands of kids.
My grandfather bought steerage class tickets, leaving his wife and three children back in Austria while he found work and settled in NYC. It took five years before the rest of the family came to America, in 1911. BTW, If immigrants had a highly contagious condition, Pink Eye, upon arrival, flunking the physical exams, they were dined entry.
My father’s family arrived (also in steerage class) in NYC due to the potato famine in Ireland. Signs in store windows plainly stated “no Irish need apply”. But there was plenty of dangerous construction work available, however risky to these newcomers.
That was immigration then, however brutal, and we have come a long way. Now we ask only to know who is entering illegally, at great risk to themselves — and possibly others. There is a welcome mat out for entry into the Land of Opportunity. The millions entering, however, need to follow the rules of admission for their safety and the country’s.
Two lies in your comment -- first, the US does not have an "open" border. Full stop.
Second, migrants coming here applying for asylum are here LEGALLY.
Given that they are here as legally as my Irish great-grandparents were, what's your real objection to today's migrants arriving at our borders?
PVW said:
ml1 said:
drummerboy said:
to be fair, I don't think MT's dislike of Harris is race based. She's just mindlessly following the right-wing line.
it's reflexive dislike of anyone with a D after their name
I don't see a lot of value in trying to parse out the difference between those who vote Republican because of the racism, and those who tolerate the racism because they're Republican.
Ok, that's not entirely true -- in the latter group, you'll get defectors who decide they can no longer justify being Republican.
race and racism are wrapped up inextricably in our politics, no doubt.
But I don't see a lot of value in attributing hatred of Kamala Harris to her skin color when right wingers would hate Elizabeth Warren or Gavin Newsom just as much if they were VP.
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