DUMP TRUMP (previously 2020 candidates)
mrincredible said:
Klinker your continued use of a juvenile nickname providing is the kind of rhetoric that Trump used to diminish his opponents in the 2016 Republican primaries. I agree that his past actions a problematic and he seems tone deaf to just how serious the allegations are. He hasn't apologized in a meaningful way in my opinion. But here Democrats go again with destroying their own.
When Biden stops grabbing people (and joking about it) I will stop calling him on it. Personally, I think he is incapable of keeping his hands to himself. It is a disqualifying character defect (as far as I am concerned).
I lean centrist Dem and I readily acknowledge Biden is a lame candidate on a number of levels. But, goes to show how weak the D field is that he can declare and inherit the lead immediately. I do think that his ability to beat Trump is as good or better than anyone else in the field and for that reason alone I will support him. At least for the time being.
Smedley said:
I lean centrist Dem and I readily acknowledge Biden is a lame candidate on a number of levels. But, goes to show how weak the D field is that he can declare and inherit the lead immediately.
The man was VP for 8 years. Its not the field, its the title. There are 25 year olds who have never heard of Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris who learned Joe Biden's name in their High School Civics class.
jamie said:
No matter what you think of Joe - this is one of the best anti-Trump messages out there:
This is an ineffective video because it's all anti-Trump and zero policy. It's not enough to be against Trump. You need to be FOR specific positive change and offer people something other than more of the same neoliberal policies that got us to Trump in the first place. This is empty and if Biden is the nominee I seriously think we face four more years of you know who. The idea that "he is the guy who can beat Trump" is entirely manufactured by the establishment. He has name recognition, but he also has baggage and I doubt he's going to inspire key demographics as he seems to assume.
So, I think his campaign will lose air like a popped balloon, but if the establishment manages to sabotage the Progressives (as they are trying) to prop him up I'm guessing it will be deja vu 2016.
Nine Reasons Why You Should Support Joe Biden For President
Klinker said:
Smedley said:The man was VP for 8 years. Its not the field, its the title. There are 25 year olds who have never heard of Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris who learned Joe Biden's name in their High School Civics class.
I lean centrist Dem and I readily acknowledge Biden is a lame candidate on a number of levels. But, goes to show how weak the D field is that he can declare and inherit the lead immediately.
Ok so then tell me all about how strong the Democratic field is.
Dennis_Seelbach said:
Biden just announced first day contributions of $6.3 million, bigger than Bernie or Beto. Not bad for a guy with no mailing list, eh?
Of course he made lots of money; first day out he had a fundraiser held by a Comcast executive. He's pretending to not take corporate money, while raking it in. He is happy to do the bidding of who ever pays him. When he was young he openly admitted he was willing to "prostitute himself" to big donors and nothing has changed except people are finally realizing that politicians who work for donors don't care about voters.
Smedley said:
Klinker said:Ok so then tell me all about how strong the Democratic field is.
Smedley said:The man was VP for 8 years. Its not the field, its the title. There are 25 year olds who have never heard of Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris who learned Joe Biden's name in their High School Civics class.
I lean centrist Dem and I readily acknowledge Biden is a lame candidate on a number of levels. But, goes to show how weak the D field is that he can declare and inherit the lead immediately.
I think it is pretty strong. We've got a bunch of Senators and others with a diverse set of opinions. You are mistaking a competitive primary for a weak field. I, for one, would prefer an open airing of the issues that are important primary voters as opposed to sitting passively by while the Joey D's of the national party coronate someone simply because he waited in line and now its his turn.
A tough look for Bernie at the She the People event. The attendees really did not like him. I know he has worked a fair bit to try to broaden his appeal with African American voters over the last few years but that work does not appear to have yielded much fruit.
nan said:
Dennis_Seelbach said:Of course he made lots of money; first day out he had a fundraiser held by a Comcast executive. He's pretending to not take corporate money, while raking it in. He is happy to do the bidding of who ever pays him. When he was young he openly admitted he was willing to "prostitute himself" to big donors and nothing has changed except people are finally realizing that politicians who work for donors don't care about voters.
Biden just announced first day contributions of $6.3 million, bigger than Bernie or Beto. Not bad for a guy with no mailing list, eh?
Big corporate donations? I doubt it. The 6.3 million was from 97,000 people. That comes to about $65 per person.
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Instead of Anti-Trump, Bidenstein should be anti-bad plastic surgery. That message will resonate.
Klinker said:
When Biden stops grabbing people (and joking about it) I will stop calling him on it. Personally, I think he is incapable of keeping his hands to himself. It is a disqualifying character defect (as far as I am concerned).
Have I missed news stories where he is still inappropriately touching people since the two women came forward with their stories?
Also, what's with the "Great Uncle" part? What's that supposed to imply?
I'm not a big Biden fan, to be honest. But you can have an honest disagreement about someone's fitness for office with resorting to Trump-like tactics. Why not just state that you think his behavior disqualifies him and leave it at that? Is this how the rest of the primary is going to be? People belittling the other candidates with childish monikers?
BG9 said:
Big corporate donations? I doubt it. The 6.3 million was from 97,000 people. That comes to about $65 per person.
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Obviously I can't stop your personal attacks because I will be banned if I try to defend myself so I will just ignore that and provide more facts until you understand. I get that it may take a bit, but I'm a teacher so I'm patient. Biden (and many other candidates pretending to run "grassroots" campaigns" work around the direct corporate funding/PAC barrier by holding private fundraisers hosted by big name corporate lobbyists (or people who are similar to lobbyists but use a different title), Back when Biden was a senator he took lots of money from Comcast and then, no surprise, did not back net neutrality legislation. Also attending Biden's first day fundraiser was the Blue Cross CEO, a guy also on the board of America's Health Insurance Plans. And guess what? Biden favors improving the ACA over Medicare for All. What a surprise.
There are more details in this article:
JOE BIDEN LAUNCHES PRESIDENTIAL BID WITH FUNDRAISER FILLED WITH CORPORATE LOBBYISTS AND GOP DONORS
https://theintercept.com/2019/04/25/joe-biden-presidential-bid-lobbyists-fundraiser/
And here is a video with a patient narrator who goes over the article and adds additional commentary. Basically if you vote for Joe Biden you vote against our own self-interest unless you are a billionaire.
Robert_Casotto said:
Instead of Anti-Trump, Bidenstein should be anti-bad plastic surgery. That message will resonate.
Sure Biden’s had some work done but he looks pretty good for 76. So I wouldn’t call it bad plastic surgery.
Bad plastic surgery is needing to keep your hair a foot long and style and swirl it in ridiculously contorted ways.
nan said:
BG9 said:Obviously I can't stop your personal attacks because I will be banned if I try to defend myself so I will just ignore that and provide more facts until you understand. I get that it may take a bit, but I'm a teacher so I'm patient. Biden (and many other candidates pretending to run "grassroots" campaigns" work around the direct corporate funding/PAC barrier by holding private fundraisers hosted by big name corporate lobbyists (or people who are similar to lobbyists but use a different title), Back when Biden was a senator he took lots of money from Comcast and then, no surprise, did not back net neutrality legislation. Also attending Biden's first day fundraiser was the Blue Cross CEO, a guy also on the board of America's Health Insurance Plans. And guess what? Biden favors improving the ACA over Medicare for All. What a surprise.
Big corporate donations? I doubt it. The 6.3 million was from 97,000 people. That comes to about $65 per person.
Happy to see you continue doing what you're best at. Our Fount of Illusion and Misinformation.
There are more details in this article:
JOE BIDEN LAUNCHES PRESIDENTIAL BID WITH FUNDRAISER FILLED WITH CORPORATE LOBBYISTS AND GOP DONORS
https://theintercept.com/2019/04/25/joe-biden-presidential-bid-lobbyists-fundraiser/
And here is a video with a patient narrator who goes over the article and adds additional commentary. Basically if you vote for Joe Biden you vote against our own self-interest unless you are a billionaire.
Welcome back......not!
Wow, just tuned in and had no idea that Joe Biden had plastic surgery and that it is bad and also an important part of his candidacy! Do I need to look at all of the candidates more closely? Is this the result of HDTV? More importantly do I need work and where should I go?
And apparently something that he did a long time ago, which was not talked about when he was Obama's VP, is now a disqualifier and at a bare minimum he owes all women, I guess me included an apology.
Oh and he hugs people. I'll try to learn from this and remember not to hug anyone ever again particularly of the opposite sex. I'm going to check every group photo and jot down the names of anyone whose hands were inappropriately placed and if they were mine I'll apologize to all men.
Yikes, let's give the guy a chance!
And another candidate Eric Swalwell was described as a looney. I didn't watch the video but does it reassure anyone that he is on both the judiciary and the intelligence committees in the House and has been visible for a few years appearing on several cable news shows. And I am pretty sure that the comment that he ran for the head of the DNC was inaccurate. Probably confusing him with Tim Ryan who is also running. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I am afraid that we will find reasons to disqualify everyone. I just want to be hopeful and enthusiastic.
mrincredible said:
Klinker said:Have I missed news stories where he is still inappropriately touching people since the two women came forward with their stories?
When Biden stops grabbing people (and joking about it) I will stop calling him on it. Personally, I think he is incapable of keeping his hands to himself. It is a disqualifying character defect (as far as I am concerned).
Also, what's with the "Great Uncle" part? What's that supposed to imply?
I'm not a big Biden fan, to be honest. But you can have an honest disagreement about someone's fitness for office with resorting to Trump-like tactics. Why not just state that you think his behavior disqualifies him and leave it at that? Is this how the rest of the primary is going to be? People belittling the other candidates with childish monikers?
+10
Morganna said:
Wow, just tuned in and had no idea that Joe Biden had plastic surgery and that it is bad and also an important part of his candidacy! Do I need to look at all of the candidates more closely? Is this the result of HDTV? More importantly do I need work and where should I go?
And apparently something that he did a long time ago, which was not talked about when he was Obama's VP, is now a disqualifier and at a bare minimum he owes all women, I guess me included an apology.
Oh and he hugs people. I'll try to learn from this and remember not to hug anyone ever again particularly of the opposite sex. I'm going to check every group photo and jot down the names of anyone whose hands were inappropriately placed and if they were mine I'll apologize to all men.
Yikes, let's give the guy a chance!
And another candidate Eric Swalwell was described as a looney. I didn't watch the video but does it reassure anyone that he is on both the judiciary and the intelligence committees in the House and has been visible for a few years appearing on several cable news shows. And I am pretty sure that the comment that he ran for the head of the DNC was inaccurate. Probably confusing him with Tim Ryan who is also running. Correct me if I'm wrong.
I am afraid that we will find reasons to disqualify everyone. I just want to be hopeful and enthusiastic.
I could care less about Joe Biden's plastic surgery. I think the media talks about superficial things as a way to not discuss platform--an area I do care about and one where Biden fails miserably. Instead of talking about that in his launch video, he just talked about how horrible Trump is, with a plan to defeat him with our "values" what ever that means. How is that going to work, exactly? I'd rather defeat him by offering people something they really need like healthcare and free college.
I do think Swalwell is a looney because he is a Democrat who clearly feels more comfortable with Republicans and said he would have them in his cabinet. The narrator of the video I posted about that suggested that since Republicans and Democrats often share the same donors it would make it so much easier for them to just sign off on what the clients wanted. It would not be good for the voters as Swalwell was suggesting. Then Swalwell was asked about his endorsement of Medicare for All and he said he supported the Public Option. His confusing statement on that made him look shady and untrustworthy and probably bought. Anyway, I don't remember saying he ran for head of DNC, but if I did that was a mistake, as far as I know.
I think it is important during the primary to look closely at the candidates in terms of their platform, record and funding. I spend little to no time on identity politics so I really don't care about superficial things, although the Amy Klobuchar eating salad with a comb story was kind of unique.
mrincredible said:Have I missed news stories where he is still inappropriately touching people since the two women came forward with their stories?
Also, what's with the "Great Uncle" part? What's that supposed to imply?
I'm not a big Biden fan, to be honest. But you can have an honest disagreement about someone's fitness for office with resorting to Trump-like tactics. Why not just state that you think his behavior disqualifies him and leave it at that? Is this how the rest of the primary is going to be? People belittling the other candidates with childish monikers?
You try eating the **** sandwiches that progressives have been forced to consume over the last 30 years and then tell me how much respect you want to show to the folks who created the menu. I was calling conservative Democrats names long before Trump decided to become a Republican. For me, it is shorthand for the disdain I feel for the species but if that's not the way for you, as the Clintons used to say, you can go your own way.
This pretty much sums up Biden for me and it is brutal and he is terrifying.
Joe Biden: An Imperial Corporatist Wrapped in the Bloody Flag of Charlottesville
What Biden said in his launch video yesterday morning is correct: “If we give Donald Trump eight years in the White House, he will forever and fundamentally alter the character of this nation…We can’t forget what happened in Charlottesville.” A second Trump term is not a pleasant thing to contemplate. Biden says he “can’t stand by and let that happen.”
The irony is the best thing he could do to stop a second Trump term is to stand aside and tell the rest of the candidate field and voters to congeal behind Sanders. The corporate-neoliberal Democratic Clinton-Obama model is what put the supremely dangerous orange monster in the White House in the first place in 2016. The establishment Democrats, who prefer barbarism to even the mildest hint of socialism, are working to give the monster a second term. If Joe really hates fascism as much as his launch video suggests, then he needs to de-launch. Maybe some activists in Iowa or New Hampshire can set up for his final, politically fatal gropes. Extreme times call for extreme measures. His candidacy is terrifying.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/26/politics/pete-buttigieg-refunding-lobbyist-donations/index.html
Pete Buttigieg's presidential campaign has reversed its decision to accept donations from registered lobbyists and says it will refund the contributions it has received so far.
Buttigieg's campaign manager, Mike Schmuhl, said in an email Friday that the campaign will send back $30,250 it had received from 39 individuals.
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nan said:
In other words, just subjugate the democratic process and anoint Bernie the nominee. Exactly what a lot of Sanders supporters decried in the 2016 primaries.
dave said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/26/politics/pete-buttigieg-refunding-lobbyist-donations/index.html
Pete Buttigieg's presidential campaign has reversed its decision to accept donations from registered lobbyists and says it will refund the contributions it has received so far. Buttigieg's campaign manager, Mike Schmuhl, said in an email Friday that the campaign will send back $30,250 it had received from 39 individuals.
He realized that having Goldman Sachs helping you secure funds during the primary was not a good look, especially in contrast to Bidens big suck on Comcast and the healthcare lobby. Not much to suggest that he would not be open in the future or that he will not be having fundraisers with wealthy benefactors tied to corporate interests. That's how some of the supposedly "grassroots" fundraisers have been getting their funds. I"m guessing if he got the nomination, the corporate floodgates would open.
This morning, I could be persuaded that a Warren/Booker ticket is promising.
Smedley said:
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I think it's a good sign when a discussion board allows a range of views to be expressed. You seem to think it's OK to suppress and ridicule people you don't agree with instead of arguing your position. Why is that?
please provide evidence to back your claim that I think it’s ok to suppress people I don’t agree with.
mrincredible said:
nan said:
In other words, just subjugate the democratic process and anoint Bernie the nominee. Exactly what a lot of Sanders supporters decried in the 2016 primaries.
Where did I say that? Evidence please. A lot of Sanders supporters were justifiably angry when it was revealed that the primary had been secretly rigged. One candidate had signed a secret deal whereby the DNC was only working for her and coordinating with major media outlets to promote her and to sabotage the other candidate. She was even given debate questions ahead of time.
Why the anger over this goes to Sanders supports and not the DNC is beyond me. By giving them a pass you are allowing them to do it again this time, which it looks like they are following the 2016 script again. Maybe you will learn by the time we get to the 2024 election and Trump can no longer run.
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Well, nominate a right wing handyman like Biden and you can remind them all of why they stayed home.
(Note, I voted for Clinton even though it made me throw up in my mouth and I think I would vote for Biden, if he were the nominee, but that would probably depend on how much folks like you had p***** me off.)