Airline passenger CHOKES another for reclining her seat. Discuss....
Yes, if a chair reclines then if you wish, you should be able to recline it. The issue is how much to recline? So many people are complete dicks and recline to the point where you could have a conversation with the person behind you. Even if you politely ask them to move up a pinch, you get attitude.
I'm in agreement that if you want/need extra room, you need to purchase it. Is it fair? No because we all know that airlines could design planes that would give extra room but they'd rather have more seats and less room for more money.
B'twn the alcohol, the attitudes on and off the plane and the lack of space, it's a powder keg.
We're flying with three small kids in a few weeks. I'm not sure which circle of hell that is but I'm pretty sure it made Dante's list. I purposely chose the back row so I don't have to worry about the boys playing with the seats and pissing off the person behind them. OTOH if a plane is anything like a bus, then the last row won't recline and we'll be stuck absolutely upright for the whole trip, which thankfully will be short.
When flying I tend to not recline unless the person behind me has also reclined. However, if the person in front of me reclines and I have not reclined I am annoyed but can live with it since it is a few hours. Back in the 90's I took a Greyhound bus to California. At the time I didn't know the difference between a local and express, so it took me over three days on a bus to get there. I have yet to experience anything on a flight, including the flight across the Atlantic next to a guy who didn't use antiperspirant or deodorant, that compares. I try to keep that in mind when flying and have yet to lose my cool.
About alcohol to calm nerves on a flight: some people will become more mellow when they drink, some will become quick to anger. The issue is that if you ask both types they will both usually claim that alcohol calms them down.
I say they give a test to each boarding passenger; those that can explain exactly what "cline" means get to sit in the no-choking section, and the rest are put into the cargo hold. I'll just stay home, thanks.
DaveSchmidt, you're killing me. ; - )
I tried, but even the Wikipedia entry was only minimally elucidating.
Yes, drinking before or during a flight is a GREAT idea:
"'Drunk Sun Express plane passenger strips off and asks stewardess for sex' forcing flight to make emergency landing"
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/drunk-sun-express-plane-passenger-6670686
"Most emergency landing are the equivalent of pulling into a gas station because your check engine light went on."
Though I do prefer this headline: Drunk Irishman on Sun Express flight to Turkey strips and propositions attendant
You think it's bad now. Welcome to the future of flying.
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2015/10/06/airbus-files-patent-for-split-level-passenger-seat-design/
ridski said:
jeffl said:Would you blame them if they had to recline to breathe because the persons in front of them reclined?
ridski said:Because it's inconsiderate.
Why blame the person who is doing the one thing their chair can do
Let's go Mets!!!!
That's not the point. I'm talking about the first person in the row who reclines because they are "doing the one thing their chair can do." Just because you can recline 4 - 6" doesn't mean you should. Just because you can speak loudly into your cell phone when you're in an elevator doesn't mean you should. I'm talking about common courtesy, not rights.
Passengers stacked like cord wood... That's where all this is going. BTW, those of you who dislike having your knees crushed are just as welcome to buy into the next class up as the folks who bought seats that recline.
jeffl said:
ridski said:That's not the point. I'm talking about the first person in the row who reclines because they are "doing the one thing their chair can do." Just because you can recline 4 - 6" doesn't mean you should. Just because you can speak loudly into your cell phone when you're in an elevator doesn't mean you should. I'm talking about common courtesy, not rights.
jeffl said:Would you blame them if they had to recline to breathe because the persons in front of them reclined?
ridski said:Because it's inconsiderate.
Why blame the person who is doing the one thing their chair can do
Let's go Mets!!!!
I'm not talking about rights, either.
4-6"? It really is back to the future day!
(It's more like 2" - especially since we're talking about Southwest
If you do choose to drink while flying to calm yourself down, please remember you limit.
For those who say, f*** the person behind you, if your seat reclines, you should recline...
If you recline into the space in front of me any I have to go to the bathroom, should I simply stand up and push your seat forward so I can get out? Because God knows, it's impossible to stand up behind a seat that is reclined.
Of course the airlines are to blame, but the airlines are not changing. Saying the airlines are at fault is like complaining that clouds are to blame for rain. It's true and, at the same time, completely useless.
People have no consideration for one another anymore. That's really what this is all about. It not that people who can recline always should. And it's not that people behind recliners should always get upset. When I used to fly often, I would simply explain to the person in front of me that my knees were already up against the seat and if they reclined more than a little bit, their seat would be crushing my knees, Nine times out of ten, they were accomodating. If I could move my legs out of the way, I would. But on a transcontinental flight, that was unrealistic for the entire flight. So I would talk to the person in front of me. If ask if they would mind sitting up for a little while so I could let the blood flow back to my lower legs. Then I'd be ok with them reclining again. It's hardly life changing to be a little cramped for a short while.
But people have gotten so entitled and feel outrage so easily these days that you can't make a reasonable request either way. If I, with a 37" inseam, can survive for a while with someone reclining into my space almost anyone can. On the other hand, if you can't handle being on a plane for a little while without leaning back, then at least admit that you're doing it because the seat allows itand you're a self-absorbed prick, and you don't give a ***** about the person behind you.
If you're that inconsiderate of other people's space, don't be surprised if I sneeze all over your head.
The thing is, to ,y mind, the comfort gained by reclining your seat pales in comparison to the pain it causes the person behind you. I wouldn't recline my seat even if I was a sadist because it doesn't really make me feel any more comfortable.
Are there really people out there who just experience a continuous orgasm every time they sit in a slightly reclined seat?
Klinker said:
The thing is, to ,y mind, the comfort gained by reclining your seat pales in comparison to the pain it causes the person behind you. I wouldn't recline my seat even if I was a sadist because it doesn't really make me feel any more comfortable.
Are there really people out there who just experience a continuous orgasm every time they sit in a slightly reclined seat?
Because that's the bar for doing anything. If it doesn't give you a continuous orgasm, you shouldn't do it?
You either don't get out much, or are heavily invested in Kleenex.
Don't get me wrong. I hate it when people recline back into me. But I fully understand why they do. I do it, too, though I usually only go back (literally) a couple of inches.
Klinker said:
The thing is, to ,y mind, the comfort gained by reclining your seat pales in comparison to the pain it causes the person behind you. I wouldn't recline my seat even if I was a sadist because it doesn't really make me feel any more comfortable.
Are there really people out there who just experience a continuous orgasm every time they sit in a slightly reclined seat?
I tend to not recline unless the person behind me has also reclined. However, the word comfort does not adequately explain the situation. On longer flights being forced to sit rigidly upright gives me painful muscle spasms in my lower back. It isn't just about chilling out and relaxing, but rather about not being in pain. Thankfully, on longer flights where this is likely to occur, just about everyone ends up reclining so putting my own seat back ends up not being an issue.
But what about the person in front of you who can't sit upright for several hours straight? Especially when the person in front of them is reclined into their lap? Everyone is losing here. That's the thing some people don't get.
ParticleMan said:
For those who say, f*** the person behind you, if your seat reclines, you should recline...
If you recline into the space in front of me any I have to go to the bathroom, should I simply stand up and push your seat forward so I can get out? Because God knows, it's impossible to stand up behind a seat that is reclined.
Of course the airlines are to blame, but the airlines are not changing. Saying the airlines are at fault is like complaining that clouds are to blame for rain. It's true and, at the same time, completely useless.
People have no consideration for one another anymore. That's really what this is all about. It not that people who can recline always should. And it's not that people behind recliners should always get upset. When I used to fly often, I would simply explain to the person in front of me that my knees were already up against the seat and if they reclined more than a little bit, their seat would be crushing my knees, Nine times out of ten, they were accomodating. If I could move my legs out of the way, I would. But on a transcontinental flight, that was unrealistic for the entire flight. So I would talk to the person in front of me. If ask if they would mind sitting up for a little while so I could let the blood flow back to my lower legs. Then I'd be ok with them reclining again. It's hardly life changing to be a little cramped for a short while.
But people have gotten so entitled and feel outrage so easily these days that you can't make a reasonable request either way. If I, with a 37" inseam, can survive for a while with someone reclining into my space almost anyone can. On the other hand, if you can't handle being on a plane for a little while without leaning back, then at least admit that you're doing it because the seat allows itand you're a self-absorbed prick, and you don't give a ***** about the person behind you.
If you're that inconsiderate of other people's space, don't be surprised if I sneeze all over your head.
Klinker said:
The thing is, to ,y mind, the comfort gained by reclining your seat pales in comparison to the pain it causes the person behind you. I wouldn't recline my seat even if I was a sadist because it doesn't really make me feel any more comfortable.
Are there really people out there who just experience a continuous orgasm every time they sit in a slightly reclined seat?
It's the sense of entitlement that overcomes courtesy. "I paid for the ability to recline and GD I'm gonna recline! That's your problem, not mine!"
Hahaha said:
But what about the person in front of you who can't sit upright for several hours straight? Especially when the person in front of them is reclined into their lap? Everyone is losing here. That's the thing some people don't get.
ParticleMan said:
For those who say, f*** the person behind you, if your seat reclines, you should recline...
If you recline into the space in front of me any I have to go to the bathroom, should I simply stand up and push your seat forward so I can get out? Because God knows, it's impossible to stand up behind a seat that is reclined.
Of course the airlines are to blame, but the airlines are not changing. Saying the airlines are at fault is like complaining that clouds are to blame for rain. It's true and, at the same time, completely useless.
People have no consideration for one another anymore. That's really what this is all about. It not that people who can recline always should. And it's not that people behind recliners should always get upset. When I used to fly often, I would simply explain to the person in front of me that my knees were already up against the seat and if they reclined more than a little bit, their seat would be crushing my knees, Nine times out of ten, they were accomodating. If I could move my legs out of the way, I would. But on a transcontinental flight, that was unrealistic for the entire flight. So I would talk to the person in front of me. If ask if they would mind sitting up for a little while so I could let the blood flow back to my lower legs. Then I'd be ok with them reclining again. It's hardly life changing to be a little cramped for a short while.
But people have gotten so entitled and feel outrage so easily these days that you can't make a reasonable request either way. If I, with a 37" inseam, can survive for a while with someone reclining into my space almost anyone can. On the other hand, if you can't handle being on a plane for a little while without leaning back, then at least admit that you're doing it because the seat allows itand you're a self-absorbed prick, and you don't give a ***** about the person behind you.
If you're that inconsiderate of other people's space, don't be surprised if I sneeze all over your head.
I'm not sure what the person in front of you reclining has to do with your ability to sit upright for hours. I understand that people have back problems. A person reclining in front of you does not exacerbate them.
That said, I never said that people should never be able to recline. My point is that people have to be considerate of each other. Not that it's a one way street. And my further point is that blaming the airlines is pointless. It does nothing to address the problem at hand for all the passengers.
jeffl said:
Klinker said:It's the sense of entitlement that overcomes courtesy. "I paid for the ability to recline and GD I'm gonna recline! That's your problem, not mine!"
The thing is, to ,y mind, the comfort gained by reclining your seat pales in comparison to the pain it causes the person behind you. I wouldn't recline my seat even if I was a sadist because it doesn't really make me feel any more comfortable.
Are there really people out there who just experience a continuous orgasm every time they sit in a slightly reclined seat?
Honestly, I don't think most people think that way. When you're on a long flight and the person in front of you is reclined, it may be the only comfortable option for your own leg room to recline as well.
I recline because my lower back aches after a while and I've never had someone complain. If they did, I would probably sit up - to my own discomfort.
I sense that's what most reasonable people do or we'd be hearing about daily altercations on planes.
Hahaha said:
jeffl said:Honestly, I don't think most people think that way. When you're on a long flight and the person in front of you is reclined, it may be the only comfortable option for your own leg room to recline as well.
Klinker said:It's the sense of entitlement that overcomes courtesy. "I paid for the ability to recline and GD I'm gonna recline! That's your problem, not mine!"
The thing is, to ,y mind, the comfort gained by reclining your seat pales in comparison to the pain it causes the person behind you. I wouldn't recline my seat even if I was a sadist because it doesn't really make me feel any more comfortable.
Are there really people out there who just experience a continuous orgasm every time they sit in a slightly reclined seat?
I recline because my lower back aches after a while and I've never had someone complain. If they did, I would probably sit up - to my own discomfort.
I sense that's what most reasonable people do or we'd be hearing about daily altercations on planes.
You're probably right. Most people don't think that way. I just think that most people don't consider the effect that leaning back as far as they can has on the human being behind them.
I recline partway as soon as I can because it is agony for me to sit in the full upright position. Something about my height and where the curves in the seat hit... I end up with my head forced forward and no support in my shoulders, and it is pretty unbearable for any length of time. I agree with those who say it is all about consideration and cooperation. Give a little, get a little. I don't throw the seat as far back as it will go... Just far enough to relieve the pain.
It's a Dave thing. You wouldn't get it.