Bernie's 2020 Campaign: August 2016 - At least through April, apparently
nohero said:
nan said:Two thoughts:
Who releases their taxes when they are not running for president? After he lost the nomination, there was no need and there has been no need until now when he is running again.
1. Of course he's been running, he has since August 2016. And he only released one year the last time he ran, so he's way behind.
2. "Who releases their taxes when they are not running for president?" Sen. Gillibrand, for one. You read and commented on this post last night:
BG9 said:
Gillibrand again has disclosed her tax returns. She's disclosed them from 2007 on. Unlike, Bernie who still seems to have difficulty.
Ms. Gillibrand, who is currently at the bottom of the polls, recorded a video touting the disclosure of her taxes as a step toward political transparency. She has made a practice of releasing her tax returns annually since 2012, when she posted her records going back to 2007.https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/27/us/politics/kirsten-gillibrand-taxes.html
He has not been running since 2016. That is just your opinion. And maybe Gillbrand, who has been accused of dishonesty by pretending to be a Progressive while courting Wall Street money thought she could get some bonus points. So, good for Gillibrand and her stunt, but there are still other candidates not revealing taxes and you are not calling them out. Like Beto. And once again, you would eat Green Eggs with Ham before you would vote for Bernie.
nan said:
He has not been running since 2016. That is just your opinion.
No, it's a fact. See other thread on Bernie running, and his "Our Revolution" website (Est. August 2016)
[Edited to add] My bad, I lost track of which thread this is. I should have just written "See start of this thread."
nan said:
And maybe Gillbrand, who has been accused of dishonesty by pretending to be a Progressive while courting Wall Street money thought she could get some bonus points.
Don't forget her awesome time-travel skills, going back to 2012 to start disclosing, to support her campaign in 2019.
nohero said:
No, it's a fact. See other thread on Bernie running, and his "Our Revolution" website (Est. August 2016)
https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/beto-orourke/
I guess Beto is only allowed to be part of the "revolution" is he isn't running for President against Bernie.
nan said:
Beto is running for the same office as Bernie. You can not call for the release of taxes from one and not the other. You are just proving my point that this is a smear. Again, are you going to vote for him if he releases his taxes and they are boring as promised?
Every day I tell myself not to read a single post of yours. Congratulations you caught me. And confirmed that I should never read a single post of yours.
sbenois said:
https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/beto-orourke/
I guess Beto is only allowed to be part of the "revolution" is he isn't running for President against Bernie.
I hadn't seen that. Bernie's "Our Revolution" makes this Beto guy sound awesome:
In Congress, Beto serves on the House Committees for Armed Services and Veterans Affairs. He has made it a priority to work across the aisle to secure bipartisan support for his legislation because Beto knows our country is at its best when we can put party aside to work together, build consensus and find common ground.
Much of Beto’s focus has been on improving the ability for veterans to get the health care — and other earned benefits — that they need. He’s also been focused on curbing the influence of corporate money in Congress. He helped introduce the “No PAC Act,” which would stop candidates for federal office from relying on PACs to bankroll their campaigns.
"Build consensus and find common ground." Somebody tell Bernie that's a virtue, not a flaw.
nohero said:
No, it's a fact. See other thread on Bernie running, and his "Our Revolution" website (Est. August 2016)
[Edited to add] My bad, I lost track of which thread this is. I should have just written "See start of this thread."
Not a fact. I've seen your thread. After he lost, he continued his social justice work as always, enjoying a greater visibility. Did you think he was going to start making speeches on Wall Street like Obama did?
nan said:
Not a fact. I've seen your thread. After he lost, he continued his social justice work as always, enjoying a greater visibility. Did you think he was going to start making speeches on Wall Street like Obama did?
It is a fact. "Our Revolution" was his campaign placeholder that he started in August 2016. Now it's explicit about it. This is the homepage now:
Our revolution. Sounds like Lenin. And that heroic Lenin like look.
What does Bernie really stand for? Is he a progressive socialist, as he markets himself, or a communist? One would have assumed he did love communism considering he went to communist Soviet Union on his honeymoon and his comment on the wonderful communist marketplace of bread lines. However here being an admitted communist is not really a vote getter.
Nan will argue that his honeymoon was a business trip. Yet, there he was partying it up with Soviet communist bosses while the common folk are relegated to bread lines. Bread lines that Bernie said are good to have. Did Bernie ever wait on a bread line? I doubt it. Maybe what he really meant is that bread lines are good for others.
nohero said:
It is a fact. "Our Revolution" was his campaign placeholder that he started in August 2016. Now it's explicit about it. This is the homepage now:
No, he started Our Revolution to encourage and help more Progressives to run. He was not running it.
sbenois said:
https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/beto-orourke/
I guess Beto is only allowed to be part of the "revolution" is he isn't running for President against Bernie.
Beto was a candidate for them but was dropped (or dropped out) when he could not support the platform. They gave him a try. And everyone wanted Beto to win against Ted Cruz. But, as president, he would be a nightmare and I don't think he would even win. Trump would eat him as a snack. He prepares his speeches on the fly. We need someone who knows what they are doing.
nan said:
sbenois said:Beto was a candidate for them but was dropped (or dropped out) when he could not support the platform.
https://ourrevolution.com/candidates/beto-orourke/
I guess Beto is only allowed to be part of the "revolution" is he isn't running for President against Bernie.
They obviously didn't drop him so long as he was only running for the Senate.
Time to remind you all why you should be voting for Bernie:
Bernie Sanders: I'll fight for farmers against powerful agribusiness
This past month, hardworking farmers in Iowa saw historic floods kill livestock and topple grain silos in an instant, losing their livelihoods and their way of life. It was just the latest blow to rural communities that have seen farmers’ incomes cut in half, hospitals shut down, school districts consolidated, drinking wells tainted and downtowns decimated by layoffs.
But, despite what the pundits might say, this was not inevitable — and it’s completely unacceptable.
Whether it’s in Iowa, my home state of Vermont or anywhere else, the crisis in America’s small towns and rural communities is the result of deliberate policy choices by a political class that neglects rural America, rather than investing in it.
In the end, the desperation felt by families in rural communities is about basic economic rights and freedom. Farmers have been systematically stripped of their ability to control their own futures and no longer know whether their hard work will earn them future success and stability. Storefronts are empty and farmers have been forced to sell their land that has been kept in families for generations to massive corporations.
For the massive agribusinesses that control much of rural America, it’s a different story. These corporations have seen profits skyrocket and compensation packages for CEOs increase to record levels.
BG9 said:
Our revolution. Sounds like Lenin. And that heroic Lenin like look.
What does Bernie really stand for? Is he a progressive socialist, as he markets himself, or a communist? One would have assumed he did love communism considering he went to communist Soviet Union on his honeymoon and his comment on the wonderful communist marketplace of bread lines. However here being an admitted communist is not really a vote getter.
Nan will argue that his honeymoon was a business trip. Yet, there he was partying it up with Soviet communist bosses while the common folk are relegated to bread lines. Bread lines that Bernie said are good to have. Did Bernie ever wait on a bread line? I doubt it. Maybe what he really meant is that bread lines are good for others.
You are sounding nutty as a fruitcake here. FYI.
nan said:
nohero said:No, he started Our Revolution to encourage and help more Progressives to run. He was not running it.
It is a fact. "Our Revolution" was his campaign placeholder that he started in August 2016. Now it's explicit about it. This is the homepage now:
Please. I'm neither that gullible nor that naïve. It was Bernie's bunch, for and about Bernie. Read their "About" page:
https://ourrevolution.com/about/
"The next step for Bernie Sanders' movement is Our Revolution, which will fight to transform America and advance the progressive agenda that we believe in."
Check out the picture at the top of the "About" page. It's the Bernie delegate walk-out from the 2016 convention.
He was highlighting the anti-Hillary walk-out, when he started his proxy campaign website in August 2016.
nohero said:
Please. I'm neither that gullible nor that naïve. It was Bernie's bunch, for and about Bernie. Read their "About" page:
https://ourrevolution.com/about/
"The next step for Bernie Sanders' movement is Our Revolution, which will fight to transform America and advance the progressive agenda that we believe in."
Check out the picture at the top of the "About" page. It's the Bernie delegate walk-out from the 2016 convention.
He was highlighting the anti-Hillary walk-out, when he started his proxy campaign website in August 2016.
You are just making crap up. Our Revolution, similar to Justice Democrats and Brand New Congress and other progressive organizations formed after 2016 as a productive way to lead the country forward, instead of wallowing in false Russiagate narratives. The mission and goals, not about attacking Hillary or supporting Bernie as a candidate, are as follows (from About page):
Our Mission
Our Revolution will reclaim democracy for the working people of our country by harnessing the transformative energy of the “political revolution.” Through supporting a new generation of progressive leaders, empowering millions to fight for progressive change and elevating the political consciousness, Our Revolution will transform American politics to make our political and economic systems once again responsive to the needs of working families.
Our Revolution has three intertwined goals: to revitalize American democracy, empower progressive leaders and elevate the political consciousness.
Revitalize American Democracy
Our Revolution will revitalize American democracy by unifying the millions of people who got involved over the course of U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign in support of progressive causes. Our Revolution will give the people a major voice in the political system by activating supporters and engaging millions more Americans in the political process.
Empower Progressive Leaders
Our Revolution will empower the next generation of progressive leaders by inspiring and recruiting progressive candidates to run for offices across the entire spectrum of government. From school boards to congressional seats, a new generation of political leaders, dedicated to transforming America’s corrupt campaign finance system and rigged economy, will become involved. Our Revolution will provide leaders inspired by the “political revolution” with the unparalleled digital tools, organizing knowledge and grassroots support successfully utilized throughout Senator Sanders’ campaign.
Elevate Political Consciousness
The corporate media has largely failed to cover the issues critical to the future of our country: from the devastating effects of climate change to the decline of the middle class. Our Revolution will educate the public about the most pressing issues confronting our nation and the bold solutions being offered. This effort will ensure that drowned out voices are heard and become an important part of the local, state and national dialogue.
Poor Nan. Loves Bernie but knows he has no chance in hell if he runs anywhere but with the Dems. So she spends all day and night deflecting any and all criticism of him in the hopes that somehow he will get the nomination.
And when he doesn't she will blame the Dems. The process. Blah blah blah.
Nan. Tell Bernie to run on the Green Party ticket. And tell him to remove that ******* Madelyn Hoffman for Senate sign at the Maplewood exit on Rt. 78.
sbenois said:
Poor Nan. Loves Bernie but knows he has no chance in hell if he runs anywhere but with the Dems. So she spends all day and night deflecting any and all criticism of him in the hopes that somehow he will get the nomination.
And when he doesn't she will blame the Dems. The process. Blah blah blah.
Nan. Tell Bernie to run on the Green Party ticket. And tell him to remove that ******* Madelyn Hoffman for Senate sign at the Maplewood exit on Rt. 78.
He's currently the front-runner. The MSM does not like to report this so they put in stats of a guy that is not even announced he is running yet. But still the front-runner. All polls show him to be the best candidate to beat Trump. But, you would rather lose to Trump than let him win. And that's what you think a good Democrat should do. As Paul S. points out, you are not a Democrat.
nan said:
nohero said:You are just making crap up.
Please. I'm neither that gullible nor that naïve. It was Bernie's bunch, for and about Bernie. Read their "About" page:
https://ourrevolution.com/about/
"The next step for Bernie Sanders' movement is Our Revolution, which will fight to transform America and advance the progressive agenda that we believe in."
Check out the picture at the top of the "About" page. It's the Bernie delegate walk-out from the 2016 convention.
He was highlighting the anti-Hillary walk-out, when he started his proxy campaign website in August 2016.
I'm not making anything up. They "namecheck" Bernie right at the start, and that picture is the anti-Hillary protest from the convention. Which they featured when Bernie started the organization and debuted the website in August 2016.
[Edited to add] but don't take my word for it. This is how Bernie explains it:
At the end of the campaign, my supporters and I faced a very simple decision. Do we, as most losing campaigns do, simply pack our bags and go home? Or do we undertake the enormously difficult task of building upon what we have accomplished …
On June 12, Jane and I invited some of our closest political supporters, people who had worked their hearts out on the campaign, to our home in Burlington, Vermont. … The simple question to be discussed was: Where do we go from here? How do we build upon the successes of our campaign. While some of our surrogates were unable to attend, the turnout was great. …
After a wide-ranging discussion, the virtually unanimous conclusion of the participants at the meeting was that it would be absurd to shut down our operations. We had accomplished too much. …
On August 24, a new organization was formally launched, Our Revolution, which embodied these goals. While, as an elected official, I am not legally allowed to be involved in the day-to-day activities of Our Revolution, I have watched closely from the sidelines – and have been deeply impressed by al that this organization was doing. Jeff Weaver, who was the campaign manager for my presidential campaign, took over he leadership of Our Revolution and pushed hard to hit the ground running.
Where We Go from Here: Two Years in the Resistance by Bernie Sanders (Thomas Dunn Books, 2018), pp 33-35.
And the President of "Our Revolution", Nina Turner, was made one of his campaign co-chairs.
nan said:
As Paul S. points out, you are not a Democrat.
Neither is Bernie !
nan said:
BG9 said:You are sounding nutty as a fruitcake here. FYI.
Our revolution. Sounds like Lenin. And that heroic Lenin like look.
What does Bernie really stand for? Is he a progressive socialist, as he markets himself, or a communist? One would have assumed he did love communism considering he went to communist Soviet Union on his honeymoon and his comment on the wonderful communist marketplace of bread lines. However here being an admitted communist is not really a vote getter.
Nan will argue that his honeymoon was a business trip. Yet, there he was partying it up with Soviet communist bosses while the common folk are relegated to bread lines. Bread lines that Bernie said are good to have. Did Bernie ever wait on a bread line? I doubt it. Maybe what he really meant is that bread lines are good for others.
I sound nutty? Sorry you don't see it.
The fact is he did go on his honeymoon during the communist Soviet era. He did party and enjoy himself with the communist bosses while the regular public was waiting on bread lines. He did say bread lines are good. Not that he ever waited on one.
He does present himself as Lenin did, a purist, the savior of the masses.
Many communist do reinvent themselves as socialists or progressive socialists. Changing times and needs.
Dennis_Seelbach said:
nan said:Neither is Bernie !
As Paul S. points out, you are not a Democrat.
He shoots. He scores. Goooooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaal.
nohero said:
Where We Go from Here: Two Years in the Resistance by Bernie Sanders (Thomas Dunn Books, 2018), pp 33-35.
And the President of "Our Revolution", Nina Turner, was made one of his campaign co-chairs.
He has been clear from the start that he wants to start a political revolution, propelled by people standing up and demanding they be heard and recognized over corporate interests. It is about people doing this, not him alone. He's the leader of a movement, but the movement takes inspiration from him, not orders. Nina Turner was asked to run Our Revolution because she shares this vision and for the same reason she was made a co-chair of his campaign. This is a big movement and Our Revolution is not the only organization with similar goals. The world is passing your centrist, incremental neoliberal ideals by.
Dennis_Seelbach said:
Neither is Bernie !
He's an FDR Democrat, not the Republican kind you seem to favor, like this guy. Democrat who wants to scale back Social Security:
BG9 said:
I sound nutty? Sorry you don't see it.
The fact is he did go on his honeymoon during the communist Soviet era. He did party and enjoy himself with the communist bosses while the regular public was waiting on bread lines. He did say bread lines are good. Not that he ever waited on one.
He does present himself as Lenin did, a purist, the savior of the masses.
Many communist do reinvent themselves as socialists or progressive socialists. Changing times and needs.
Even Business Insider thinks you are nuts:
Dismissing Bernie Sanders as a communist shows your 'profound ignorance,' says one of the most influential behind-the-scenes figures in American business
He pointed to the way some Americans talk about Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, who is running as a Democratic presidential candidate. "When people talk Bernie Sanders as if he's a communist, they show a profound ignorance" of the market and of history, Strine said. He added that while he doesn't agree with all of Sanders' proposals, they're not actually radical from a historical or global perspective. Per Strine, Sanders is actually a centrist by the standards of some of our closest and most prosperous European allies.
"There is profound economic insecurity. That is the sort of thing that happened in the late '20s and 1930s and that we overcame with New Deal democracy, which became a role model for market dynamism that was tempered by fairness for everybody," Strine said.
Which is the part of "they should ALL release their returns" that you think only applies to Bernie?