I can understand benching Eli Manning

Well as I said I was concerned that Geno would come in and look like a star but with two key fumbles he looked exactly like the Geno Jets fans saw. 

Phew, thank goodness McAdoo benched Eli. He solved a lot of problems..... not.

McAdoo and Reese have been fired.

I asked a while ago who was more disastrous, McAdoo or Ray Handley. But Handley made it through two seasons and Bill Arnsparger wasn't fired until the middle of his third season. So McAdoo is now in a class by himself.

I think McAdoo wins now.  His handling of the Eli situation was the clincher.  Plus he ends his Giants career with one less win that Handley.  Ha ha.

ska said:

I asked a while ago who was more disastrous, McAdoo or Ray Handley. But Handley made it through two seasons and Bill Arnsparger wasn't fired until the middle of his third season. So McAdoo is now in a class by himself.

He was a little too cocky during the post game interview when asked if he heard the rumors before the game about him getting fired and if that impacted his coaching yesterday.  He said "a little birdie had told him of the rumor but it didn't worry him at all, and  only  coaches with weaker minds would let that impact their coaching."  Maybe he should have worried.  

So....does Eli get the start this week?  

no reason to start Eli -- they need to lose so they can get better draft pick.  

Plus Giants are going nowhere and don't see the team giving a 100% effort anyway.  

If the league had any integrity they would require Eli to play vs the management tanking.

mikescott said:

no reason to start Eli -- they need to lose so they can get better draft pick.  

Plus Giants are going nowhere and don't see the team giving a 100% effort anyway.  

If the league had any integrity they would require Eli to play vs the management tanking.

They should be trying to figure out if anyone on the roster has trade value (or can, you know, play quarterback). 

Eli is gonna be what? 37 next season? Time to move on. The last guy took the PR bullet by benching him, might as well make the best of it. 

What quality coach would want to jump into this hot mess?

Things went badly wrong this year but the Giants are hardly without talent on both the offence and defense. With a likely top five pick to get a potential franchise quarterback of the future I would expect this is a very desirable job. Playoffs next year is far from impossible.

ska said:

Things went badly wrong this year but the Giants are hardly without talent on both the offence and defense. With a likely top five pick to get a potential franchise quarterback of the future I would expect this is a very desirable job. Playoffs next year is far from impossible.

they probably could get back to 8 -8 but they need a few players.  Agreed this is a desirable job and pretty sure they will have a good selection of quality coaches to choose from.  

Will Manning be gone?

if they rebuild the offensive line, this could be a contending team again.  The defense has had some games where they looked like they weren't trying but for the most part they've done OK for a unit that's been on the field most of every game.

Keeping Manning depends on the coach they hire. 

Manning is exactly the type of mentor a young quarterback could use.   Instead of drafting a kid and handing him the team the  kid should ride the bench for a year and see how a real pro runs the team and handles New York.  

FilmCarp said:

Manning is exactly the type of mentor a young quarterback could use.   Instead of drafting a kid and handing him the team the  kid should ride the bench for a year and see how a real pro runs the team and handles New York.  

Exactly.  And Manning is exactly the kind of guy who would do it with grace and efficiency.  As said above, so much now depends on who the GM and Coach are.  If Manning is on board with them and they get a young gun in the draft it could be a good transition.  And don't forget they still have the unknown quantity in Webb, who did have a really good senior year in a pro-set offense.

Politi in the Star Ledger today raised the real question:  Can Mara (and Tisch) break their mold and still be who they are?  Can they take the risk and go with a different kind of GM and Coach?  Or will they stay more within their comfort zone?

I hasten to point out that I am not advocating a completely new start, as Politi is.  The "old" style got them some nice hardware and good results in the last decade, and there is no guarantee that a new style will not fizzle as well as alienate the fairly traditional fan base.  Also, a new style might require a really radical reconfiguration of personnel which will guarantee two to three more years of really terrible football until they have the right players in place.

Interesting and risky time for the Giants.

I find it interesting that the Yankees went all new school Sabermetrics in their new manager / structure.

I think Tisch, who is a more wide ranging businessman would be more willing to go a different path. But he does not run the football operations. Mara has the ghost of his grandfather and father over his shoulder so I do not think he will go much out of the box.

Coach Spags is starting Manning on Sunday.

ridski said:

Coach Spags is starting Manning on Sunday.

I read that in the paper this morning. What a topsy-turvy world.

Good. If the Giants goal is to win games this year (which Mara said it was) then Eli gives them the best chance to win.

ridski said:

Coach Spags is starting Manning on Sunday.