"Ms. Pelosi’s visit was a welcome expression of U.S. solidarity with Taiwan and I, for one, am deeply grateful to her for shrugging off Beijing’s threats of retaliation. But other democracies must also summon the courage to stand with us."
Really, what exactly am I naive about? Are you worried about Communists under the bed?
I could be worried that my niece's soon-to-be husband could be put in a re-education camp.
Just stop. You should be worried about the US going to war with China who is now best friends with Russia, thanks to us. Much of the world has had enough of our interference. They are forming alliances with many other countries. Europe is still with us but having big economic problems. Our terrible foreign policy is leading us down the drain.
I heard that most of the people in Taiwan were not happy with Nancy Pelosi's trip, by the way. They don't want to end up like those poor souls in Ukraine. It was a huge deal and not in a good way. China is now doing a big military operation.
Taiwan is part of China and our country officially recognizes that, despite selling arms to separatists because we, of course, want to stir up trouble.
I heard that most of the people in Taiwan were not happy with Nancy Pelosi's trip, by the way. They don't want to end up like those poor souls in Ukraine.
I provided you with something to read that isn't from one of the tankies you "heard" from.
I heard that most of the people in Taiwan were not happy with Nancy Pelosi's trip, by the way. They don't want to end up like those poor souls in Ukraine.
I provided you with something to read that isn't from one of the tankies you "heard" from.
I will read it. Here is something for you to watch.
Really, what exactly am I naive about? Are you worried about Communists under the bed?
I could be worried that my niece's soon-to-be husband could be put in a re-education camp.
Just stop. You should be worried about the US going to war with China who is now best friends with Russia, thanks to us. Much of the world has had enough of our interference. They are forming alliances with many other countries. Europe is still with us but having big economic problems. Our terrible foreign policy is leading us down the drain.
I heard that most of the people in Taiwan were not happy with Nancy Pelosi's trip, by the way. They don't want to end up like those poor souls in Ukraine. It was a huge deal and not in a good way. China is now doing a big military operation.
Taiwan is part of China and our country officially recognizes that, despite selling arms to separatists because we, of course, want to stir up trouble.
I heard that most of the people in Taiwan were not happy with Nancy Pelosi's trip, by the way. They don't want to end up like those poor souls in Ukraine.
I provided you with something to read that isn't from one of the tankies you "heard" from.
I provided you with something to watch that does not support the neocons you support without question.
Not a Pelosi fan, but her spunk in making the trip impressed me — whether she had a motive we don’t know about — deflecting attention re her husband’s drunk driving — but I find that a reach. The pink pant suit she wore on arrival stood out brilliantly.
Whether this brings about WW3. or not, is the question.
Not a Pelosi fan, but her spunk in making the trip impressed me — whether she had a motive we don’t know about — deflecting attention re her husband’s drunk driving — but I find that a reach. The pink pant suit she wore on arrival stood out brilliantly.
Whether this brings about WW3. or not, is the question.
It impresses you that someone acts recklessly and potentially starts WWWIII wearing a pink pantssuit? The Chinese have now pulled out of all climate talks so there is one consequence that could be bad. They are also going to focus on reuniting Taiwan ASAP. There will be more actions coming soon.
It impresses you that someone acts recklessly and potentially starts WWWIII wearing a pink pantssuit? The Chinese have now pulled out of all climate talks so there is one consequence that could be bad. They are also going to focus on reuniting Taiwan ASAP. There will be more actions coming soon.
like the Chinese were really giving a rat’s a$$ about climate before the pink pants suit (made in India) showed up in Taiwan.
It impresses you that someone acts recklessly and potentially starts WWWIII wearing a pink pantssuit? The Chinese have now pulled out of all climate talks so there is one consequence that could be bad. They are also going to focus on reuniting Taiwan ASAP. There will be more actions coming soon.
like the Chinese were really giving a rat’s a$$ about climate before the pink pants suit (made in India) showed up in Taiwan.
They previously agreed to make some changes. Now we have no ability to push them.
China is the world’s top emitter, producing more than a quarter of the world’s annual greenhouse gas emissions, which contribute to climate change.
It pledged to cut emissions under the Paris Agreement, reduce coal use, and invest in renewable energy. But its Belt and Road Initiative still finances coal-fired power plants abroad.
Air pollution, water scarcity, and soil contamination remain threats to the health and livelihoods of China’s people, increasing dissatisfaction with the government.
China is the world’s top emitter, producing more than a quarter of the world’s annual greenhouse gas emissions, which contribute to climate change.
It pledged to cut emissions under the Paris Agreement, reduce coal use, and invest in renewable energy. But its Belt and Road Initiative still finances coal-fired power plants abroad.
Air pollution, water scarcity, and soil contamination remain threats to the health and livelihoods of China’s people, increasing dissatisfaction with the government.
means nothing!!
They are the biggest polluters on the freakin planet!
Signing on to something Obama pushed for does not mean they will comply!
You trust the Chinese and the Russians more than you trust your own. Just go to hell already.
China is the world’s top emitter, producing more than a quarter of the world’s annual greenhouse gas emissions, which contribute to climate change.
It pledged to cut emissions under the Paris Agreement, reduce coal use, and invest in renewable energy. But its Belt and Road Initiative still finances coal-fired power plants abroad.
Air pollution, water scarcity, and soil contamination remain threats to the health and livelihoods of China’s people, increasing dissatisfaction with the government.
means nothing!!
They are the biggest polluters on the freakin planet!
Signing on to something Obama pushed for does not mean they will comply!
You trust the Chinese and the Russians more than you trust your own. Just go to hell already.
I did not say I trust them. I said it was a problem that, thanks to Nancy Pelosi, they were not going to cooperate on climate. We need them to cooperate more than we need to start WWIII.
Chinese and international commentators drew up potential scenarios for a clash like a forced diversion of Pelosi's plane. However, the Chinese government kept its calm. The reintegration of Taiwan into China is not an urgent matter. It had planned for longer term measures designed to press the pro-independence government in Taiwan into obedience.
Chinese military exercises will now be held around the island without regard for what Taipei claims as its borders. These missile launches, sea and air maneuvers will not be threatening enough to cause a dangerous military confrontation. But they will be repeated over the next years and will steadily move closer and closer to Taiwan's coast.
The median line between China and Taiwan, never officially recognized but adhered to, will now be ignored.
China essentially decided to boil the proverbial frog of Taiwanese independence by slowly, slowly increasing the pressure:
China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is closing off six areas around Taiwan from Thursday to Sunday and is expected to hold drills, including live-fire exercises, in some areas within 12 miles of the island.
The drills are expected to be bigger than the missile tests China launched during the Third Taiwan Strait Crisis that was sparked in 1995 by the US granting a visa to former Taiwanese President Lee Teng-hui.
Both Chinese and American analysts believe that the unprecedented military exercises could become routine, a consequence of Pelosi’s provocative visit.
Taiwan depends on sea trade. The Chinese military maneuvers will essentially block it for the next few days. It is demonstration of what might come should China get really serious.
This military posturing will be aided by selected economic sanctions designed to remove the support for Taiwan's current pro-independence government:
China also imposed sanctions on Taiwan because of Pelosi, including a ban on the export of natural sand, and a halt on imports of fish and fruit products from the island.
A ban on the export of natural sand, 90% of which Taiwan imports from China, may sound harmless. But if you live on a rock in an area prone to earthquakes you may want to build your high rises with concrete. No sand no concrete. Building costs in Taiwan will rise and the government will be blamed for it.
The authorities will take punitive measures against the "Taiwan Foundation for Democracy" (TFD) and the "International Cooperation and Development Fund" (ICDF), two organizations that have close ties with diehard secessionists, said Ma Xiaoguang, a spokesperson of the Taiwan Affairs Office of the State Council.
Enterprises that have donated to the two funds, such as Speedtech Energy, Hyweb Technology, Skyla Corporation, Skyeyes GPS Technology, are to be prohibited from conducting any transactions or cooperation with mainland organizations, enterprises and individuals. The persons responsible for these enterprises are banned from entering the mainland.
News sites ran polls, with almost two-thirds of UDN’s respondents saying the visit was destabilising. Talk radio discussed preparation and escape plans, and walked listeners through their growing anxieties.
At a news conference with Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen on Wednesday, Pelosi was asked what she could offer Taiwan to offset the possible costs the island would incur — including economic retaliation from China — as a consequence of her visit.
She answered that her visit was part of a broader U.S. effort to have “better economic exchanges” with Taiwan, and she said “significant” Taiwanese businesses are already planning to invest in manufacturing in the United States.”
"You will get sanctioned while we will steal your prime advantage in chip manufacturing," is not exactly an uplifting message.
Other countries which Pelosi also visited felt sidelined by her anti-China antics:
Ms. Pelosi’s visit may also damage a push by the White House to shore up support against China from key allies in the region who analysts say have felt sidelined by the trip, and frustrated by the spiraling tensions. With much recent attention eaten up by China’s fulminations over the visit, allies suggested that they wish they had been better consulted ahead of Ms. Pelosi’s journey.
President Yoon Suk-yeol plans to speak by phone with visiting U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi later Thursday, his office said, after officials said earlier that a meeting between the two is not planned as Yoon is on summer vacation.
Yoon administration and the ROK National Assembly did not send any delegation to welcome Pelosi’s arrival last night. Pelosi was not pleased about the situation, multiple reports said.
All together Pelosi's trip was not the success she may have thought it would be. It was a trap she had set for herself when it first 'leaked' that she would visit Taiwan. If she had not gone the Republicans would have blasted her as a coward. Now she will carry the responsibility for further deteriorating U.S. relations with China.
If the U.S. were completely uninvolved, I'm curious what Nan believes the best outcome for the 23 million people living in Taiwan would be. She does understand that although China claims Taiwan, it does not actually exercise political control over it currently -- that Taiwan is self-governed? In an ideal world, should the Taiwanese give up their democratic self rule and accept China's one-party authoritarian rule instead? If yes, why does China get to tell 23 million people that they no longer get to rule themselves? If no, what would be a legitimate way for Taiwan to resist? Or are these pointless questions, because the only story Nan cares about is the one with the U.S. as a Disney Villain, where the dastardly neocons woke up one morning and decided to start WW III for no reason?
If the U.S. were completely uninvolved, I'm curious what Nan believes the best outcome for the 23 million people living in Taiwan would be. She does understand that although China claims Taiwan, it does not actually exercise political control over it currently -- that Taiwan is self-governed? In an ideal world, should the Taiwanese give up their democratic self rule and accept China's one-party authoritarian rule instead? If yes, why does China get to tell 23 million people that they no longer get to rule themselves? If no, what would be a legitimate way for Taiwan to resist? Or are these pointless questions, because the only story Nan cares about is the one with the U.S. as a Disney Villain, where the dastardly neocons woke up one morning and decided to start WW III for no reason?
These questions are not our problem. If we get involved we will be at war with China, a war that we CANNOT win. Taiwan is part of China. US policy acknowledges this. We have plenty of problems in our own country to solve. There seems to be zero interest in solving those.
Any idea that the US getting involved will lead to a better outcome for the people of Taiwan or the US IS truly living in a Disney fantasy world. When the US gets involved with other countries, the countries almost or always end up in a worse condition. They usually end up with a dictator and maybe even death squads. Lots of people die and the infrastructure gets wrecked.
They would be better off just being part of China or working something out between themselves. It is arrogant for us to decide what's best for Taiwan. We are not the only superpower anymore and we need to figure out how we can fit in a multipolar world without making everyone hate us.
If the U.S. were completely uninvolved, I'm curious what Nan believes the best outcome for the 23 million people living in Taiwan would be. She does understand that although China claims Taiwan, it does not actually exercise political control over it currently -- that Taiwan is self-governed? In an ideal world, should the Taiwanese give up their democratic self rule and accept China's one-party authoritarian rule instead? If yes, why does China get to tell 23 million people that they no longer get to rule themselves? If no, what would be a legitimate way for Taiwan to resist? Or are these pointless questions, because the only story Nan cares about is the one with the U.S. as a Disney Villain, where the dastardly neocons woke up one morning and decided to start WW III for no reason?
These questions are not our problem. If we get involved we will be at war with China, a war that we CANNOT win. Taiwan is part of China. US policy acknowledges this. We have plenty of problems in our own country to solve. There seems to be zero interest in solving those.
Any idea that the US getting involved will lead to a better outcome for the people of Taiwan or the US IS truly living in a Disney fantasy world. When the US gets involved with other countries, the countries almost or always end up in a worse condition. They usually end up with a dictator and maybe even death squads. Lots of people die and the infrastructure gets wrecked.
They would be better off just being part of China or working something out between themselves. It is arrogant for us to decide what's best for Taiwan. We are not the only superpower anymore and we need to figure out how we can fit in a multipolar world without making everyone hate us.
The residents of the insane asylum think the people walking around in white lab coats are crazy….
Here is what most of the world thinks about us and it's not about freedom and democracy. Pelosi's visit was the last straw for some of them. They are not afraid to speak out now because they know and there is a new world order. We need to change our foreign policy and start being nicer and learn to play with other countries or we are going to be in big trouble.
The ignorance about China, Taiwan, and longstanding U.S. policy, in the quote below, is off-the-charts, matched only by the stubborn arrogance evidenced there, of claiming what’s “best” for the people of Taiwan.
These questions are not our problem. If we get involved we will be at war with China, a war that we CANNOT win. Taiwan is part of China. US policy acknowledges this. We have plenty of problems in our own country to solve. There seems to be zero interest in solving those.
Any idea that the US getting involved will lead to a better outcome for the people of Taiwan or the US IS truly living in a Disney fantasy world. When the US gets involved with other countries, the countries almost or always end up in a worse condition. They usually end up with a dictator and maybe even death squads. Lots of people die and the infrastructure gets wrecked.
They would be better off just being part of China or working something out between themselves. It is arrogant for us to decide what's best for Taiwan. We are not the only superpower anymore and we need to figure out how we can fit in a multipolar world without making everyone hate us.
The ignorance about China, Taiwan, and longstanding U.S. policy, in the quote below, is off-the-charts, matched only by the stubborn arrogance evidenced there, of claiming what’s “best” for the people of Taiwan.
These questions are not our problem. If we get involved we will be at war with China, a war that we CANNOT win. Taiwan is part of China. US policy acknowledges this. We have plenty of problems in our own country to solve. There seems to be zero interest in solving those.
Any idea that the US getting involved will lead to a better outcome for the people of Taiwan or the US IS truly living in a Disney fantasy world. When the US gets involved with other countries, the countries almost or always end up in a worse condition. They usually end up with a dictator and maybe even death squads. Lots of people die and the infrastructure gets wrecked.
They would be better off just being part of China or working something out between themselves. It is arrogant for us to decide what's best for Taiwan. We are not the only superpower anymore and we need to figure out how we can fit in a multipolar world without making everyone hate us.
There are two choices: 1) leave them alone --or--- 2) go to war with China
I read a good column in this morning's NY Times. It's "unlocked" at this link, so anyone can read it -
I’m Taiwanese, and I Want to Thank Nancy Pelosi
"Ms. Pelosi’s visit was a welcome expression of U.S. solidarity with Taiwan and I, for one, am deeply grateful to her for shrugging off Beijing’s threats of retaliation. But other democracies must also summon the courage to stand with us."