More Revelations about Dufault

The NYT figured it out after the stories became police investigations. Now, if the NYT had been on top of this back in April, that would be different.

tjohn said:

The NYT figured it out after the stories became police investigations. Now, if the NYT had been on top of this back in April, that would be different.

Exactly. And for the record, the Village Green launched just recently and was not in existence last spring.

And The Village Green's Facebook page linked to the NYT yesterday.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

It is unclear who contacted the police... A parent, a community member or the school district.
If protocol was followed then DYFS would have contacted the police ..time will tell


If the district knew in the Spring then DYFS should have been called in then ..

doulamomma said:

And The Village Green's Facebook page linked to the NYT yesterday.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Just for the record, you are the one who characterized my comments as a conspiracy. That's your projection, not anything I said.

Copihue said:

doulamomma said:

And The Village Green's Facebook page linked to the NYT yesterday.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Just for the record, you are the one who characterized my comments as a conspiracy. That's your projection, not anything I said.

Wait...isn't this thread about who knew what and when? And your personal analysis of a NYT article on the topic?

Copihue said:

doulamomma said:

And The Village Green's Facebook page linked to the NYT yesterday.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Just for the record, you are the one who characterized my comments as a conspiracy. That's your projection, not anything I said.

Just for the record, read up-thread - I might have been the first to use the word (maybe) but certainly not the first to gather the conclusion.

Civil and maybe criminal charges coming. Time for everyone to lawyer up.

Just to clarify one fact, since this thread is sorely lacking in facts, there is no such agency as DYFS.

http://www.state.nj.us/dcf/about/divisions/dcpp/

max_weisenfeld said:

Just to clarify one fact, since this thread is sorely lacking in facts, there is no such agency as DYFS.

http://www.state.nj.us/dcf/about/divisions/dcpp/

Max is correct, they changed their name after killing all those kids a few years back.

ram said:

Civil and maybe criminal charges coming. Time for everyone to lawyer up.

For whom? For the teacher, yes, but for others?

Copihue said:

And what happened to the local press' responsibility to inquire about important issues to this community? Once again they leave it up to the public to do the work. Puff stories about real estate open houses is what we get from our journalists. I'm sure that investigating this story does not do anything positive to the only industry in town: selling real estate. Killing the story, as it has been shunted on this board twice already, is the right way to approach it.

The arrest was reported. There have been assorted follow-up pieces.

The matter is in the courts, and the accused teacher is still in jail, last I read.

It's not surprising that there would be "no further comment" from the school administration - it's an active criminal investigation involving minors, both of which would dictate saying less, or better saying nothing.

I don't think that anyone would be in favor of having reporters do some random questioning of high school students, for an "investigative report" about this topic.

alice31 said:

ram said:

Civil and maybe criminal charges coming. Time for everyone to lawyer up.

For whom? For the teacher, yes, but for others?

The Administrator and the distict.

doulamomma said:

Copihue said:

doulamomma said:

And The Village Green's Facebook page linked to the NYT yesterday.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Just for the record, you are the one who characterized my comments as a conspiracy. That's your projection, not anything I said.

Just for the record, read up-thread - I might have been the first to use the word (maybe) but certainly not the first to gather the conclusion.

Doulamomma, making reference to someone else's comment doesn't give you a pass. You have attributed something to me that I never said or implied.

How would you like it if I did that to you? I heard in the Village someone say that they saw you park in the handicapped spot in front of the church, because you didn't want to walk and that you emptied your ashtray on the roadway.

I saw this article the day before yesterday. I chose not to post about it because there's nothing to be gained by dredging up this topic again. There have already been two other threads on this subject that were closed. There is information we will never be privy too, and baseless speculation will not change that.

doulamomma said:

Not everything is a conspiracy.

meandtheboys said:

I saw this article the day before yesterday. I chose not to post about it because there's nothing to be gained by dredging up this topic again. There have already been two other threads on this subject that were closed. There is information we will never be privy too, and baseless speculation will not change that.

doulamomma said:

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Totally agree with the above, is this what, the 4th or 5th thread about this?

This thread did nothing to help me figure out what "The school knew about Default" :-D

Copihue said:

I've learned by now that when my statements are misquoted, that I have to answer them. A non-answer becomes an admission that I made the statement, because not many will read the entire thread, including yours truly.

So, @tjohn, the New York Times was able to create an article full of new revelations by speaking to Ms. Ms. McCaffrey. She is quoted as saying that she reported the teacher to the school, and she reported that "Nicole Dufault, had sent naked pictures of herself to a student on Snapchat." That's not a rumor. The reporter also stated that one of the victims is 17 years of age instead of 15, and that looks like a fact to me. I don't know whether that is true or not, but that looks like a fact and not a rumor.

The local press could have asked the administration for a statement, not about the incident, but what the protocol for such a report are and how the teachers and supervisors are trained at following the protocols. None of it is rumor, and it would be quite instructive. They could also have asked whether or not the protocols were followed, no confidential information would be revealed about the minors with those questions. The administrators would then be on record.

We have The News Record, the Village Green, the Alternative Press, The South Orange Patch and none of those papers did any investigative reporting. That's a fact, no innuendo. If I am wrong, please correct me.

@CTRZaska, outlandish, yes. You claim that I have tied claimed that the story was killed to protect real estate values. Please show me where I say that. You are misquoting me.

True that negative statements about us are best handled immediately or they take hold. At that point, you are guilty and trying to rectify them only gets you in deeper and murkier water. I learned that in my first job where a manager was encouraging my manager to refute immediately what someone was saying about him.

Clinton also made it imperative to go on the air and straighten things out immediately whether they were fabrications or revelations.

I tend to let the statements take their course and work long term in order to maintain a positive constructive relationship. In MOL I simply don't care. I may stop reading a thread if I detect that I am receiving unasked for attention.

Copihue said:

doulamomma said:

Copihue said:

doulamomma said:

And The Village Green's Facebook page linked to the NYT yesterday.

Not everything is a conspiracy.

Just for the record, you are the one who characterized my comments as a conspiracy. That's your projection, not anything I said.

Just for the record, read up-thread - I might have been the first to use the word (maybe) but certainly not the first to gather the conclusion.

Doulamomma, making reference to someone else's comment doesn't give you a pass. You have attributed something to me that I never said or implied.

How would you like it if I did that to you? I heard in the Village someone say that they saw you park in the handicapped spot in front of the church, because you didn't want to walk and that you emptied your ashtray on the roadway.

Where to even start with this...You're being silly and I'm making an inference - you're the one banging the drum loudly. Bang on - it matters not to me. But do check out the press coverage mentioned above - there's been quite a lot written locally that it seems you've missed.
Oh - and I don't think cars have ashtrays anymore...

spontaneous said:

max_weisenfeld said:

Just to clarify one fact, since this thread is sorely lacking in facts, there is no such agency as DYFS.

http://www.state.nj.us/dcf/about/divisions/dcpp/

Max is correct, they changed their name after killing all those kids a few years back.

Kind of like ValuJet.

If these freaking journalists around here had any clue about digging that dog would have been found right away.

Um...ok.

Point being?

meandtheboys said:

Point being?

That nobody noticed, and their feelings are hurt?

I have no idea what PlaceNJ.com is, but it's not okay practice to post photos that have legible license plates. And they did that in the above photo. That alone makes me wonder if it's amateur hour.

Kate McCaffrey, the mother who reported what her daughter told her to the Administration, later didn't allow her daughter to make a sworn statement to the investigators. I suspect that this report led to the eventual arrest of Ms. Dufault. If a statement had been made Ms. Dufault probably whould have been arrested sooner.

As pointed out by Tjohn and others, there has to be evidence to have someone arrested.

sbenois said:

I don't know about anyone else but I intend to cancel my subscription to the News-Record because of their poor effort on this story.

I haven't paid my News-Record bill in years, but they keep coming every week.

ram said:

alice31 said:

ram said:

Civil and maybe criminal charges coming. Time for everyone to lawyer up.

For whom? For the teacher, yes, but for others?

The Administrator and the distict.

Do you have sources or did you consult your crystal ball? This does seem to be the sort of comment that should be made without some basis in fact.

There is no reason to continue the attacks on whomever chooses to post for reasons unknown to many readers
It in reality can stop others who may have relevant comments from participating in the dialogue.
If things have no substance let them die a natural death with out the rancor that appears from some comments.

This is a serious topic and the disrespectful comments detract from it's worth and from some who may wish to comment

And yes, DYFS's name was changed - it still is the state agency that abuse is reported to by law.
Most can extract the name to it's present title .
Facts remain the same- protocol in abuse cases would serve to prevent abuse even if not in all cases.
Report when suspected and the proper agency will evaluate and move forward.

I've read all 3 Place articles, and I see the same photo of a car with legible license plate in a couple. This is not done in online journalism. One reason is that the writer (?) is associating that individual and car with a crime scene, more than once.

I realize this isn't THE point here, but it's a pretty big misstep.