Roy Moore

drummerboy said:

apparently Ms. Moore was even lying about her Jewish attorney.




https://forward.com/news/390104/my-quest-to-find-roy-moores-jewish-attorney-if-there-is-one/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sumome_share

The surprise is when those people don't lie.

Well, Mr. Grinch or Mr Scrooge, where else but in America can someone feel free,and believe that it is actually okay, to denigrate a religious holiday? Where is the back lash from those fellow Americans who are offended by such disrespect?

LOST said:

qrysdonnell said:

He made Christmas illegal too.

I wish! 

More annoying commercials than usual. More traffic. More crowds.

An obviously absurd facetious comment in the context of a facetious discussion about absurd hysterical attacks on the former president, in an overwhelmingly Christian country where Christmas is a national holiday.  Methinks you are being extraordinarily snowflakey, no? 

mtierney said:

Well, Mr. Grinch or Mr Scrooge, where else but in America can someone feel free,and believe that it is actually okay, to denigrate a religious holiday? Where is the back lash from those fellow Americans who are offended by such disrespect?

LOST said:

qrysdonnell said:

He made Christmas illegal too.

I wish! 

More annoying commercials than usual. More traffic. More crowds.

drummerboy said:

apparently Ms. Moore was even lying about her Jewish attorney.


https://forward.com/news/390104/my-quest-to-find-roy-moores-jewish-attorney-if-there-is-one/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sumome_share

From the cited article:

"I filled out the contact page, which was inappropriately titled “Get in Touch With Roy Moore,” and I am still waiting to hear back. 

Don't recall what program it was on but a family was interviewed in a rural area in another state. The adults voted for Trump. The parents are struggling; no longer have health insurance because their adult daughter said the premiums are too high. The daughter's in college and thinks that upon graduation, she won't be able to get work and college loan repayment will kick in soon. She was teary when explaining how hard things have been on her Mom and how hard the mother works to keep everything afloat. They remain hopeful that Trump will turn the economy around, although under many presidents, their area has been depressed as only one small coal mine remains. Asked if they'd vote again, the answer was a resounding Yes. 

kibbegirl said:

Don't recall what program it was on but a family was interviewed in a rural area in another state. The adults voted for Trump. The parents are struggling; no longer have health insurance because their adult daughter said the premiums are too high. The daughter's in college and thinks that upon graduation, she won't be able to get work and college loan repayment will kick in soon. She was teary when explaining how hard things have been on her Mom and how hard the mother works to keep everything afloat. They remain hopeful that Trump will turn the economy around, although under many presidents, their area has been depressed as only one small coal mine remains. Asked if they'd vote again, the answer was a resounding Yes. 

When you're dead, you don't know you're dead. It's just difficult for others.

It's the same when you're stupid.

Maybe she can sue the college for malpractice3.

mtierney said:

Well, Mr. Grinch or Mr Scrooge, where else but in America can someone feel free,and believe that it is actually okay, to denigrate a religious holiday? Where is the back lash from those fellow Americans who are offended by such disrespect?

LOST said:

qrysdonnell said:

He made Christmas illegal too.

I wish! 

More annoying commercials than usual. More traffic. More crowds.

I now see that you would have voted for Trump even if he wasn't a rapist. There's an intellectual affinity.

mtierney said:

Well, Mr. Grinch or Mr Scrooge, where else but in America can someone feel free,and believe that it is actually okay, to denigrate a religious holiday? Where is the back lash from those fellow Americans who are offended by such disrespect?

LOST said:
 

qrysdonnell said:

He made Christmas illegal too.

I wish! 

More annoying commercials than usual. More traffic. More crowds.

Mr. Lost wasn't denigrating Christmas.  If anything he was commenting on how any religious connotation is crowded out by the commercial aspect.

If you want to see someone denigrating Christmas as a religious holiday, look no further than Donald J. Trump:

The politicization of holiday greetings has been a particularly silly proxy battle in the culture wars ... And yet, Trump’s method of engaging in this battle seems calculated to reify the mythical conflict. For the president, the traditional Christmas greeting is valuable not as a sharing of the glad tidings of the Savior’s birth, but only as a kind of rhetorical weapon whose purpose is to offend others’ sensitivities — to be “politically incorrect,” as the intolerable cliche goes.
...
“Merry Christmas” becomes, in this cynical understanding, exactly what oversensitive secularists have always claimed: an intentional affront. All the joy of the Incarnation and the love of the infant Jesus and the hope of salvation — that is, everything discernibly and beautifully Christian about Christmas and its traditions — are drained from the words, and what is left is only a base expression of power: “I can say this to you, and there’s nothing you can do about it. I win. You lose. Ho ho ho.”

FilmCarp said:

It is too bad that you all think that they are all the same.  Our elections are so close that even peeling away a few layers of the onion would help us win.  But when we smugly assume that we know what all of them are thinking it just reinforces their own stereotypes of us.

Obviously they aren't monolithic, but they are willing to support representatives who have at least one or two traits/policies that many folks would find reprehensible. How does that work, what do you do after you peel away the layers as you suggest? 

I may be excited about a candidate that promises to bring jobs to the undereducated and underemployed but if he/she also believes that Islam is a violent religion or that gay Americans are subhuman- I couldn't vote for them. I consider that to be an informed, progressive and thoughtful position. Someone else who is in fact undereducated or underemployed may be willing to take a shot at the jobs and look past the other two. 

I think that we have to resist the tendency to overvalue our own perspective- as if all we have to do is have a heartfelt conversation with someone with opposing political views to 'win them over' with our superior intellect and grasp of facts.  Perhaps we should simply assume that people who vote for Roy Moores or Donald Trumps spend just as much time mulling over their choices as we do. Perhaps we should assume that they are simply not as concerned with what we might see as ignorance or hate-mongering. 

Instead of advancing a political strategy that requires us to 'understand' their perspective and or 'meet them halfway' maybe we should concentrate on getting our own house in order and maximizing the participation of the electorate that does in fact recognize women's rights, civil rights, etc. 

I don't know about you but were the situation reversed, with them trying peel away my 'layers', I know that no amount of conversation could convince me that Mexican immigrants were rapists or that women shouldn't be in control of their bodies or that 14 year olds should expect to be stalked and bedded by 30 year old men.

nohero said:

mtierney said:

Well, Mr. Grinch or Mr Scrooge, where else but in America can someone feel free,and believe that it is actually okay, to denigrate a religious holiday? Where is the back lash from those fellow Americans who are offended by such disrespect?

LOST said:
 

qrysdonnell said:

He made Christmas illegal too.

I wish! 

More annoying commercials than usual. More traffic. More crowds.

Mr. Lost wasn't denigrating Christmas.  If anything he was commenting on how any religious connotation is crowded out by the commercial aspect.

Yeah, but mainly I as being facetious.

I could ask mtierney to comment on the denigration of Islam by so many of her fellow "conservatives" but she never answers my questions.

Oh, enough with the accusations that I don’t answer when being grilled!

I do not believe the true Islam Religion promotes or advocates the murder of Christians and Jews worldwide. But I do believe that a perverted belief, masquerading as Islam, is responsible.

FilmCarp said:

It is too bad that you all think that they are all the same.  Our elections are so close that even peeling away a few layers of the onion would help us win.  But when we smugly assume that we know what all of them are thinking it just reinforces their own stereotypes of us.

You talkin' to me? I don't think "they" are all the same. I do, however, think there is a certain mentality driving it.

mtierney said:

Oh, enough with the accusations that I don’t answer when being grilled!




I do not believe the true Islam Religion promotes or advocates the murder of Christians and Jews worldwide. But I do believe that a perverted belief, masquerading as Islam, is responsible.

And you don't think that is an important distinction to make when someone like the President is speaking?  A distinction that was consistently made by Presidents Bush and Obama and one that has completely been abandoned by the current occupant of the Oval Office?

mtierney said:

Oh, enough with the accusations that I don’t answer when being grilled!




I do not believe the true Islam Religion promotes or advocates the murder of Christians and Jews worldwide. But I do believe that a perverted belief, masquerading as Islam, is responsible.

Islamic people and leaders were content to leave things alone until the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church felt a need to attack them with the Crusades. The Islamic people kicked their *****.

The crap we are experiencing today is in part, a response to the Crusades. It is also a response to American imperialism, such as kicking out the elected socialist leader of Iran installing the Shah of Iran as our puppet. Our invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq hasn't helped our image either.

But not to worry... Jared is gonna sort it all out.

No defender of the the Crusades or of our more recent screw ups in the middle east but the idea that "Islamic people were content to leave things alone" is a myth.   The various Islamic empires, from the Arabs through the Turks, were as warlike and expansionist as any empire including the empires of the west.  Not only did they press in on Europe but the places you think of as core Muslim areas by the time of the Crusades, like North Africa and the Levant itself, where part of Christendom before the early Muslims spread out and conquered them.    

Formerlyjerseyjack said:

Islamic people and leaders were content to leave things alone until the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church felt a need to attack them with the Crusades. The Islamic people kicked their *****.




The crap we are experiencing today is in part, a response to the Crusades. It is also a response to American imperialism, such as kicking out the elected socialist leader of Iran installing the Shah of Iran as our puppet. Our invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq hasn't helped our image either.




But not to worry... Jared is gonna sort it all out.

Yeah there has been a continuous ebb and flow of conflict between the folks on the Eastern side of the Bosporus and those on the Western side dating all the way back to the days of Xerxes.  This conflict is thousands of years old, Christianity and Islam are just the flavors of the week.

mtierney said:

Oh, enough with the accusations that I don’t answer when being grilled!




I do not believe the true Islam Religion promotes or advocates the murder of Christians and Jews worldwide. But I do believe that a perverted belief, masquerading as Islam, is responsible.

It's not "grilling' It's a normal method of discussion.

And BTW you did not actually answer the specific question.

As to "perverted belief" such a belief masquerading as Christianity has been far more responsible for murder of Jews than has such a belief masquerading as Islam.