Ohio is scaring me. Who scares you? NJ edition.

Thx, guys! (Though i'd rather it turned out not to be so.)


mjc said:

Has anyone else heard this?

Comment heard on NPR this morning:  RNC staff members who were fired from their positions were given an option to re-apply for their jobs, but only if they agreed (signed statement? not listening that closely) that the 2020 election was stolen.  RIP R party??

If true, one more step into scary.

eta: glad to retract if not true

yeah I had heard that, but it's a bit old. from a few weeks ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/us/politics/rnc-trump-2020-election.html?ugrp=m&unlocked_article_code=1.k00.VCak.m2ATuhseXq2l&smid=url-share


drummerboy said:

hey, what's going on in NJ? you guys are embarrassing me.

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.


yahooyahoo said:

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.

Could we not have silly claims like that spread here, as if this was the "SOMA Talks" FB group?


The buckeyes are on a roll lately.

yesterday I read this story. The doctor had previously claimed that the covid vaccine made your body magnetic. Not surprisingly, (it's Ohio after all), that's not why her license was revoked in the first place.

Ohio board reinstates license of doctor who made controversial claims about COVID vaccines


https://www.statenews.org/government-politics/2024-05-06/ohio-board-reinstates-license-of-doctor-who-made-controversial-claims-about-covid-vaccines

and today there's this. If you haven't read anything about Ohio State's commencement yet, google it. The speaker was Chris Pan. OSU's prez is a real piece o' work.

Ohio State's drug-fueled Bitcoin shame starts at the top

A member of the Commencement Speaker Advisory Committee breaks ranks to set the record straight on Ohio State's national embarrassment.

https://www.rooster.info/p/ohio-states-drug-fueled-bitcoin-shame


yahooyahoo said:

drummerboy said:

hey, what's going on in NJ? you guys are embarrassing me.

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.

Live in Hudson County for a while, then come back and tell us with a straight face that Maplewood is machine politics. 


nohero said:

yahooyahoo said:

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.

Could we not have silly claims like that spread here, as if this was the "SOMA Talks" FB group?

Why do you think the MDC changed their policy on endorsing candidates for TC?


yahooyahoo said:

nohero said:

yahooyahoo said:

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.

Could we not have silly claims like that spread here, as if this was the "SOMA Talks" FB group?

Why do you think the MDC changed their policy on endorsing candidates for TC?

Well, a local committee isn't the same thing as a "machine". I recall that the local committee has had discussions over the years about the candidate endorsement process, but maybe you have more specific information that you think is relevant here.


yahooyahoo said:

nohero said:

yahooyahoo said:

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.

Could we not have silly claims like that spread here, as if this was the "SOMA Talks" FB group?

Why do you think the MDC changed their policy on endorsing candidates for TC?

anyone alleging that the local Democrats are a "machine" is placing the blame in the wrong place. There is no Republican Party in Maplewood and thus no organized opposition to the Democratic nominee(s) in November. 

Yes, it's a foregone conclusion that the Democratic TC primary is the de facto election. But whose fault it that?


ml1 said:

yahooyahoo said:

nohero said:

yahooyahoo said:

The Democratic Party machine is very real and powerful in New Jersey. Even in our little town of Maplewood.

Could we not have silly claims like that spread here, as if this was the "SOMA Talks" FB group?

Why do you think the MDC changed their policy on endorsing candidates for TC?

anyone alleging that the local Democrats are a "machine" is placing the blame in the wrong place. There is no Republican Party in Maplewood and thus no organized opposition to the Democratic nominee(s) in November. 

Yes, it's a foregone conclusion that the Democratic TC primary is the de facto election. But whose fault it that?

The MDC has effectively controlled who wins the primary via their endorsement process for the past couple of decades (at least).  They should cease endorsing anyone, period.


Rumor has it that legal weed may be available for sale by the end of June. Which is kind of impressive. I thought it would take longer.

My recollection is that it took about 18 months for dispensaries to finally open up in NJ. Is that right?


drummerboy said:

My recollection is that it took about 18 months for dispensaries to finally open up in NJ. Is that right?

Fourteen months. Signed into law on Feb. 22, 2021. First dispensaries opened on April 21, 2022.


yahooyahoo said:

The MDC has effectively controlled who wins the primary via their endorsement process for the past couple of decades (at least).  They should cease endorsing anyone, period.

Who did they endorse this year?


DaveSchmidt said:

drummerboy said:

My recollection is that it took about 18 months for dispensaries to finally open up in NJ. Is that right?

Fourteen months. Signed into law on Feb. 22, 2021. First dispensaries opened on April 21, 2022.

I guess I was counting from when it was voted on in November 2020.


the scuttlebutt says that Ohio prices will be sky high at first. Luckily I'll be going to Michigan in a couple of weeks, where the weed is dirt cheap.



ridski said:

yahooyahoo said:

The MDC has effectively controlled who wins the primary via their endorsement process for the past couple of decades (at least).  They should cease endorsing anyone, period.

Who did they endorse this year?

A bit of a Civil War this year on the MDC.

The MDC endorsed Nancy and Jamaine on March 11th.  

On March 18th, the BOSE voted against the turf field proposal at Ritzer Field/CHS.  Nancy and Jamaine were two of the "no" votes.

Malia Herman filed to run in the Democratic primary on March 19th in response to the turf vote.  She got backing from several MDC members (including current and former TC members).

So, both winning candidates were supported by all or some of the MDC.  


yahooyahoo said:


ridski said:

yahooyahoo said:

The MDC has effectively controlled who wins the primary via their endorsement process for the past couple of decades (at least).  They should cease endorsing anyone, period.

Who did they endorse this year?

A bit of a Civil War this year on the MDC.

The MDC endorsed Nancy and Jamaine on March 11th.  

On March 18th, the BOSE voted against the turf field proposal at Ritzer Field/CHS.  Nancy and Jamaine were two of the "no" votes.

Malia Herman filed to run in the Democratic primary on March 19th in response to the turf vote.  She got backing from several MDC members (including current and former TC members).

So, both winning candidates were supported by all or some of the MDC.  

you're refuting your own claim here.  


yahooyahoo said:

So, both winning candidates were supported by all or some of the MDC.  

So was the losing candidate.


yahooyahoo said:

A bit of a Civil War this year on the MDC.

The MDC endorsed Nancy and Jamaine on March 11th.  

On March 18th, the BOSE voted against the turf field proposal at Ritzer Field/CHS.  Nancy and Jamaine were two of the "no" votes.

Malia Herman filed to run in the Democratic primary on March 19th in response to the turf vote.  She got backing from several MDC members (including current and former TC members).

So, both winning candidates were supported by all or some of the MDC.  

If the MDC didn't endorse anyone would the outcome have been the same?


An Ohio question, how does it look there for Sen. Sherrod Brown? One of my favorite Senators, he was one who I had hoped would run for President but it was often pointed out that he was valuable in his Sente seat. Does he look safe?


Morganna said:

An Ohio question, how does it look there for Sen. Sherrod Brown? One of my favorite Senators, he was one who I had hoped would run for President but it was often pointed out that he was valuable in his Sente seat. Does he look safe?

he's in decent shape to win I think. but it's always dicey when the vote is split, as explained below.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/06/12/marist-poll-suggests-ohio-voters-may-be-considering-splitting-their-ticket-in-november/

A new Marist poll suggests Ohio voters may split their ticket in this November’s election. Former President Donald Trump holds a seven-point advantage over President Joe Biden in the presidential race, according to the survey. That’s not far off from the eight-point victories Trump secured in Ohio in 2016 and 2020. But in the Senate race, Trump’s favored candidate, Republican Bernie Moreno, trails Ohio Democratic U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown by five points.

Marist pollsters surveyed 1,259 Ohioans between June 3 and June 6 with an overall margin of error of plus or minus 3.4%. As the sample is whittled to registered voters (1,137) and those definitely planning to vote (987), the margin of error rises to 3.6% and 3.8% respectively.


drummerboy said:

he's in decent shape to win I think. but it's always dicey when the vote is split, as explained below.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2024/06/12/marist-poll-suggests-ohio-voters-may-be-considering-splitting-their-ticket-in-november/

A new Marist poll suggests Ohio voters may split their ticket in this November’s election. Former President Donald Trump holds a seven-point advantage over President Joe Biden in the presidential race, according to the survey. That’s not far off from the eight-point victories Trump secured in Ohio in 2016 and 2020. But in the Senate race, Trump’s favored candidate, Republican Bernie Moreno, trails Ohio Democratic U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown by five points.

Marist pollsters surveyed 1,259 Ohioans between June 3 and June 6 with an overall margin of error of plus or minus 3.4%. As the sample is whittled to registered voters (1,137) and those definitely planning to vote (987), the margin of error rises to 3.6% and 3.8% respectively.

Hmm, split ticket. Well, that's pretty close.


ridski said:

yahooyahoo said:

A bit of a Civil War this year on the MDC.

The MDC endorsed Nancy and Jamaine on March 11th.  

On March 18th, the BOSE voted against the turf field proposal at Ritzer Field/CHS.  Nancy and Jamaine were two of the "no" votes.

Malia Herman filed to run in the Democratic primary on March 19th in response to the turf vote.  She got backing from several MDC members (including current and former TC members).

So, both winning candidates were supported by all or some of the MDC.  

If the MDC didn't endorse anyone would the outcome have been the same?

It's hard to say. If the MDC stopped endorsing candidates, I think more people would run.


yahooyahoo said:

ridski said:

yahooyahoo said:

A bit of a Civil War this year on the MDC.

The MDC endorsed Nancy and Jamaine on March 11th.  

On March 18th, the BOSE voted against the turf field proposal at Ritzer Field/CHS.  Nancy and Jamaine were two of the "no" votes.

Malia Herman filed to run in the Democratic primary on March 19th in response to the turf vote.  She got backing from several MDC members (including current and former TC members).

So, both winning candidates were supported by all or some of the MDC.  

If the MDC didn't endorse anyone would the outcome have been the same?

It's hard to say. If the MDC stopped endorsing candidates, I think more people would run.

not likely. It's a thankless job that doesn't pay. 


For DB:

I Thought I Understood the GOP. I Was Wrong. (gift link for Atlantic article about the Ohio GOP)


PVW said:

For DB:

I Thought I Understood the GOP. I Was Wrong. (gift link for Atlantic article about the Ohio GOP)

Thanks.

but next time send me a happy story. cheese


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