The Trial Thread

ml1 said:

RealityForAll said:

 Nice smear.  I never encouraged or supported such behavior on behalf of DJT.  Additionally, I am not a supporter of DJT (never have been).

Clearly, you (ml1) have no cogent response to my critique of Colbert's joke based on a a wholly false factual premise ("WFFP").  I accept your attempt at smear as an acknowledgement that Colbert's joke is based on a WFFP.

PS One of the problems with Colbert's joke is that some MOLers (like GL2) begin to believe that the  WFFP is true.  

 dude, I didn't write that. 

 Thanks I will take care of it.


RealityForAll said:

 PS Perhaps for his next act, Colbert can try a joke where he assumes that dogs are bilingual (similarly, based on a wholly false factual premise).

 "Based on a wholly false factual premise".  That is a perfect description of 95% of the posts you have made on this site.  At first, I thought you were to dim to understand a simple sentence but, after a while, I realized that you were just trolling.


RealityForAll said:

GL2 said:

Great line from Colbert: "Soon we'll find out if breaking the law is illegal."

 Which law is Colbert referring to?

AFAIK, no violations of law were cited in articles of impeachment.

See:  https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2019/dec/12/paul-gigot/donald-trump-would-be-first-us-president-impeached/

PS Perhaps for his next act, Colbert can try a joke where he assumes that dogs are bilingual (similarly, based on a wholly false factual premise).

 Did you hear the joke in context before you went off half-cocked criticizing it?


RealityForAll said:

Clearly, you (nohero) have no cogent response to my critique of Colbert's joke based on a a wholly false factual premise ("WFFP").  I accept your attempt at smear as an acknowledgement that Colbert's joke is based on a WFFP.

You guess wrong.  My response is entirely predicated on my belief that your tedious discussion of whether Colbert's joke is funny belongs on the thread for discussing whether something is funny. 


ml1 said:

RealityForAll said:

Clearly, you (ml1) have no cogent response to my critique of Colbert's joke based on a a wholly false factual premise ("WFFP").  I accept your attempt at smear as an acknowledgement that Colbert's joke is based on a WFFP.

 dude, I didn't write that. 

To be fair, it's easy to mistake me for you.    smile


RealityForAll, much has been made of the DOJ policy that a president can't be indicted for a crime. Some believe DJT's reelection will allow statute of limitations to elapse regarding many potential offenses.  Most recently, the GAO has said he's a criminal. Prior to that, SDNY has said same.

The man's a career criminal.


nohero said:

To be fair, it's easy to mistake me for you.   
smile

 it's based on a WFFP


Rep. Demings is a House impeachment manager.  


Let's face it - the only evidence needed for the Republicans is the transcript of the perfect phone call.

It's over.  We put too much faith in a few senators to vote their conscience - like Romney, Murkowski and Collins.  Then in the end - they don't.  The only republican who had the guts to do the right thing was McCain with his health care down vote.

The rush to finish before the State of the Union is Mitch's #1 priority.

I think the defense's presentation will be pretty brief.    Each side has 16 hours - correct?  Do they have an end time for tonight?  Let's say the democrats have today and tomorrow - Trump's team will go on Friday?  Or maybe they'd even go into Thursday night.  Then what's left - vote on witnesses and documents?  If they're voted down - then what?


nohero said:

ml1 said:

RealityForAll said:

Clearly, you (ml1) have no cogent response to my critique of Colbert's joke based on a a wholly false factual premise ("WFFP").  I accept your attempt at smear as an acknowledgement that Colbert's joke is based on a WFFP.

 dude, I didn't write that. 

To be fair, it's easy to mistake me for you.   
smile

 I looked at the cat avatar rather than the name.  Mea culpa.


Klinker said:

RealityForAll said:

 PS Perhaps for his next act, Colbert can try a joke where he assumes that dogs are bilingual (similarly, based on a wholly false factual premise).

 "Based on a wholly false factual premise".  That is a perfect description of 95% of the posts you have made on this site.  At first, I thought you were to [sic] dim to understand a simple sentence but, after a while, I realized that you were just trolling.

 Well thanks for the vote against being too dim!!!

Please provide each and every time that any of my postings has been based on a wholly false factual premise (AKA "WFFP"). More importantly, do you agree that GL2's Colbert joke was based on a  WFFP?


RealityForAll said:

 Well thanks for the vote against being too dim!!!

Please provide each and every time that any of my postings has been based on a wholly false factual premise (AKA "WFFP"). More importantly, do you agree that GL2's Colbert joke was based on a  WFFP?

 I did this for a while back before I started skipping over your posts.  I could start again but, honestly, if I wanted to spend my day editing trolls I would get a job at the Federalist.


mrincredible said:

drummerboy said:

And seriously - they don't have push-button voting yet? Or maybe they're not using it?

 I think Trump and McConnell are discussing this. There's a Russian company that has offered to install the technology.

 I think they should vote like they do in the House of Commons. They should leave the Senate Chambers and then re-enter through either the "Yes" door or the "No" door.


STANV said:

 I think they should vote like they do in the House of Commons. They should leave the Senate Chambers and then re-enter through either the "Yes" door or the "No" door.

 I did not know this.  It kind of makes sense.


STANV said:

 I think they should vote like they do in the House of Commons. They should leave the Senate Chambers and then re-enter through either the "Yes" door or the "No" door.

 What they do in the House of Commons is exit (or "withdraw") to one of two rooms.  One is the "Yes" room and the other the "No".  The term "party whip" comes from this practice, when in earlier days members would physically try to hustle or "whip" members into whichever room the party wanted them to go to.

Years ago, we took a tour of the Houses of Parliament, during their August recess, and so were brought through the halls and into the two chambers.  The guide brought us into one of those voting rooms in the House of Commons as he described the process.  

As he brought us into the chamber of the House of Commons he explained, "It's like Tom Cruise, it's actually smaller than it appears on TV".


I was impressed by the Democrats yesterday and even more so today. Schiff's opening today was brilliant. I'm pleased that the Republican Senators have to listen to every detail. They will most likely vote to acquit but I wonder if some of them will refuse to vote for him. Some of them have to know he's destroying the country.

I think Murkowski and Romney will vote the next round to have Bolton testify. I have no faith in Collins or Gardner.  So I don't know if the Dems will get their 4 votes. Maybe Kennedy will surprise us.  Here's a stretch, a vote from Grassley. 


nohero said:

 As he brought us into the chamber of the House of Commons he explained, "It's like Tom Cruise, it's actually smaller than it appears on TV".

 What a great line!


Morganna said:

I was impressed by the Democrats yesterday and even more so today. Schiff's opening today was brilliant. I'm pleased that the Republican Senators have to listen to every detail. They will most likely vote to acquit but I wonder if some of them will refuse to vote for him. Some of them have to know he's destroying the country.

I think Murkowski and Romney will vote the next round to have Bolton testify. I have no faith in Collins or Gardner.  So I don't know if the Dems will get their 4 votes. Maybe Kennedy will surprise us.  Here's a stretch, a vote from Grassley. 

 We may not be able to remove the tumor but at least they have to sit there and hear it honestly described. You gotta figure that many (most) of them know what they are doing is wrong but are just to weak to resist.  


Klinker said:

 We may not be able to remove the tumor but at least they have to sit there and hear it honestly described. You gotta figure that many (most) of them know what they are doing is wrong but are just to weak to resist.  

 According to a report yesterday, some of them are hearing all of this for the first time. They chose to shut it out when it was going on in the House.

Admittedly I'd like something like jail time, even more than removal, but I take whatever small torments that come along.  

How about a Game of Thrones march through the streets. Shame, shame, shame.  Now there's an image you can't easily erase from your mind!


Schiff is artfully building his case. How can the Republicans defend their vote when the whole world is watching this. 


The House Managers are not presenting a two part 12 hour presentation for anyone to "binge watch."

They are doing a live re-run marathon of the main points. You can tune in at any point and the "Vignette" being presented is clear. 

The Senate Republicans may be bored, but any American who is interested can tune in when they get home from work, or after dinner, or after they put the kids to bed, and a House manager is presenting a bite sized "vignette," for you to think about as you fall asleep.

The Managers took McConnell's rules and gamed their presentation to it.


Adam Schiff for President.   


sbenois said:

Adam Schiff for President.   

 The man knows his sh!t.


He is brilliant.  Just brilliant.   


Don’t know about you, but over here we’re getting quiet reports about a couple of people whispering very sotto voce to their neighbours  ‘objection for stupidity’, and ‘objection for boredom’ whenever certain Republicans spoke. I think that was on the first day? Or yesterday? 

I really don’t get the ‘milk or water’ beverages ban. Does that include all the time, or only while in session? Why not juice or herbal tea/decaf coffee? (How come the lactose intolerant are forced to drink only water for 12 hours??) (what if you’re on meds to be taken regularly ‘with food’ but you’re stuck in there, so no cuppa and cookie?) How many do you think are wearing nicotine patches or chewing nicotine gum just to get through those sessions?? 


jersey_boy said:

The House Managers are not presenting a two part 12 hour presentation for anyone to "binge watch."

They are doing a live re-run marathon of the main points. You can tune in at any point and the "Vignette" being presented is clear. 

The Senate Republicans may be bored, but any American who is interested can tune in when they get home from work, or after dinner, or after they put the kids to bed, and a House manager is presenting a bite sized "vignette," for you to think about as you fall asleep.

The Managers took McConnell's rules and gamed their presentation to it.

 Agreed. And if anyone is interested, the whole presentation is replayed on C SPAN in case you want to see parts that you missed. 

I recommend catching either day of Adam Schiff, Hakeem Jeffries and Zoe Lofgren. Here's a summary of the bios of all of the managers. A couple of my favorites were not included in this group, but this has been an impressive crew.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/15/house-impeachment-managers-trump-trial-098730


joanne said:

Don’t know about you, but over here we’re getting quiet reports about a couple of people whispering very sotto voce to their neighbours  ‘objection for stupidity’, and ‘objection for boredom’ whenever certain Republicans spoke. I think that was on the first day? Or yesterday? 

I really don’t get the ‘milk or water’ beverages ban. Does that include all the time, or only while in session? Why not juice or herbal tea/decaf coffee? (How come the lactose intolerant are forced to drink only water for 12 hours??) (what if you’re on meds to be taken regularly ‘with food’ but you’re stuck in there, so no cuppa and cookie?) How many do you think are wearing nicotine patches or chewing nicotine gum just to get through those sessions?? 

 I'm the type who would sit miserably glued to my seat, taking the warnings to heart but we are being told that Republican Senators, who did not have speakers yesterday were walking out for periods. Dem. leader Chuck Schumer downplayed this in his interview with Rachel Maddow last night.

Obviously these members were not taught by nuns.


Should there be some "naming and shaming" of Senators who voted in favor of these marathon sessions, who then duck out?


nohero said:

Should there be some "naming and shaming" of Senators who voted in favor of these marathon sessions, who then duck out?

 This is kinda happening in foreign press coverage. Plus shaming of the sleeping ‘attendees’.
Honestly, if it weren’t so nail-biting important for a sense of your futures, I’d suggest a refreshing diversion might be the live coverage on  

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-23/donald-trump-impeachment-senate-trial-live-blog/11891060
(taking a couple of days off. You might want to read Guardian Australia, instead of Guardian US)


In order to add a comment – you must Join this community – Click here to do so.